Scoring formula/ and observations

[Ron Van Putte]

Below, Buddy Brammer says things that few can disagree with regarding 
judging Advanced at the Nats,  Namely, a judge cadre of competent 
judges should judge ALL Advanced flights (three 1/2 days).  Then there 
would be a better selection of the best pilots.  The problem with this 
excellent stew is that someone has to cook it.  Any volunteers to judge 
Advanced for three 1/2 days?  You've read here recently that there are 
more than a few Nats competitors who don't want to judge at all.  The 
competitor who is willing to judge in the morning and fly in the 
afternoon for three days, or vice versa, are few and far between.  OK, 
let's hire judges.  What are we willing to pay?  If you think of a 
number, would you be willing to do it?  There's our problem in a 
nutshell.

The only rational solution I can see is to upgrade our judge training 
sessions to more meaningful discussions on how to judge.  Most of the 
judge training sessions I've attended were more geared to getting 
experienced pilot/judges recertified than in training newbies how to 
judge.

Ron Van Putte

On Aug 1, 2005, at 7:47 AM, BUDDYonRC at aol.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 7/31/2005 2:58:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
> vanputte at cox.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Excuse me for editing Buddy's last e-mail, but I extracted from his
>> e-mail to make the point I want to make.
>>
>> Buddy is correct.  When possible. F3A pilots judge Master.  Master
>> pilots judge F3A AND Advanced, Advanced pilots judge Intermediate and
>> selected Intermediate pilots judge Advanced.  The problem comes when
>> there aren't enough Master pilots to judge both F3A and Advanced. 
>> Suppose you've got 110 contestants with a 25/50/25/10 or a 30/50/20/10
>> F3A/Master/Advanced/Intermediate split.  Things are rosy:  There's 
>> just
>> enough Master pilots to cover F3A and Advanced.  More often there
>> aren't enough Master pilots to cover both.  You must use the Master
>> pilots to cover F3A, because you generally wouldn't want an
>> Intermediate pilot judging F3A.  Then you're forced to augment the
>> available Master pilots with Intermediate pilots to fill the judging
>> matrix.  That's why it's important to fill in the information on the
>> Nats entry form, indicating the ability to judge higher classes.  The
>> only other alternative is for Master pilots to volunteer for extra
>> judging duty.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>
> Ron
> I am aware of what you are saying, but isn't it time to admit that the 
> methods used presently leave a lot to be desired when it comes to 
> picking the best of the best at the Nat's?
> If that is what we are there for what is wrong and who would object to 
> judging or performing any other duties required to see that that 
> happens. Why not make everyone available all three days to judge and 
> utilize a / your judge rating system to place the best judges 
> available on every flight line every day for every round. That is the 
> only way that we can attempt to assure that we have done our best to 
> pick the best. anything less and you never know.
> If this was done everyone could fly in front of the same judges and 
> there would be no question. Picking the best of the best takes the 
> best of the best when it comes to judging, can anyone argue with that 
> fact.
> Buddy   
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