Andrew's crash

[John Ferrell]

My big fear is a runaway in the pits....
I have observed that most of the time fixing blame is not difficult.
What we really need is a way to prevent the problem in the first place.

I like to think I am too careful for it to happen that I screw up, but down 
deep, I know it could happen to me.

John Ferrell
http://DixieNC.US

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Black" <tkeithb at comcast.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Andrew's crash


> It makes me sick to hear about this type of thing.
>
> Like Peter my first thought after reading the description was how could 
> the
> plane do a big loop and sheer the wings off if the PCM lock cut the 
> throttle
> to idle. The plane probably still would have been lost, but the danger
> factor would be reduced. We can all imagine many scenarios where this
> accident could have been much worse with the engine running at high speed,
> I'm glad no one was hurt.
>
> BTW, I have no personal info that Andrew didn't have PCM lock cut the
> throttle other than speculation based on the description.
>
> A few years back a boy was killed by a runaway plane that went into PCM 
> lock
> at high throttle. Over looking this when setting up a plane is real easy,
> this should serve as a reminder for all of us to double check our setups 
> to
> make sure our throttles a cut to idle.
>
> My sympathies go to all involved.
>
> Keith Black
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Pennisi" <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Andrew's crash
>
>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to hear about the incident.
>>
>> It does raise the same old question. Do you use hold or fail safe in a
>> receiver. Sounds as if hold was used in this case based on the 
>> description
>> of the crash. This could have been an even uglier scene.
>>
>> I always use failsafe which at least chops the throttle to idle
> (especially
>> on large models)
>>
>> Not trying to be insensitive, I really feel sorry for all parties 
>> involved
>> especially when you're all friends.
>>
>>
>> PP
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Wayne Galligan
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 8:10 AM
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: Andrew's crash
>>
>> I think a call for more discriminating freq control should have been in
>> order here.
>> I wasn't going to say anything but here goes....   Isn't flying behind 
>> the
>> flight line an infraction of the AMA safety rules?  Unless you have a
>> designated area, i.e. helo's, rockets, c/line,  I would think that his
>> misfortune could have possibly been averted.  Pretty easy to just switch
> on
>> and flip the foamie in the air.  Saw this happening at the contest here 
>> in
>> Texas this past weekend out in the parking lot.  Makes you wonder if they
>> have the freq pin.
>>   At our flying field it is a requirement that you fly(and this is any
> type
>> of aircraft,rocket,glider,helo) in front of the designated flight line 
>> and
>> proper use of the freq control board.   The park models/foamies as simple
>> and easy to fly anywhere could become the issue of a serious accident.
>> Don't take me wrong... I think the foamies and electrics are a great
> thing.
>> They should be restricted to the same rules as a 40%'er is when your at
> the
>> club flying field.
>>
>> Wayne G.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Richard Strickland" <richard.s at allied-callaway.com>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Andrew's crash
>>
>>
>> > What a case for more discriminating receivers!
>> >
>> > RS
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jason" <jasonshulman at cox.net>
>> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:35 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Andrew's crash
>> >
>> >
>> > > OK, then I won't.... sorry
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>> > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:29 PM
>> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> > > Subject: RE: Andrew's crash
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Please say it wasn't his brand new Yak that he won with at Toledo....
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
>> > > On Behalf Of Jason
>> > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 4:27 PM
>> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> > > Subject: RE: Andrew's crash
>> > >
>> > > Heard that he had just taken off when someone in the parking lot was
>> > > checking his foamy (same Freq) and the plane locked out and did a
> great
>> > > big
>> > > loop before the wings sheared off prior to hitting the runway.
>> > >
>> > > Jason
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>> > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John Crozier
>> > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:17 PM
>> > > To: discussion nsrca
>> > > Subject: Andrew's crash
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Anybody know what happened to Andrew's plane Friday at the AMA?
>> > > A local guy (not a flyer) only knew it was a "big" plane, and it
>> > > crashed.
>> > >
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