YS Longevity and Fuel $$$ Part 2

[Mike Hester]

Welp, sorry you "took affront" Jerry, but I counted differently, as did practically everyone else. It was a major point of conversation on Sunday. Whether or not you guys had 5 spare engines is really irrelavent, what is relevant is the number of problems, whether they actually required an engine change or not. Many people were chuckling about it, as can be expected, so I did a head count myself, and got 5.

Lamar does a great job of keeping the YSs around here going at a contest and helping people when they are in need, like Eric for instance. I hope you guys don't hold any ill will toward me for stating what I saw, but it is heartbreaking to see a person doing so well and get repeatedly screwed by his equipment. That's all there is to it, no more, no less.

-M
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Stebbins 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: YS Longevity and Fuel $$$ Part 2


  Mike, I do not want to get into a 4c vs 2c discussion, since whatever works for each flier is what they should, and most do, use and fly. I doubt any top flier would use something as a sponsorship, that would not give him the the best chance of winning.
  I do take affront when someone does not correctly state the facts.
  1. Lamar  does not have 5 spare YS engines-the one DZ he brought only went in Jim's plane.
  2. He loaned my 1.40L -pre-arranged--to a contestant we knew was having problems with his DZ so he could change it out and fly. The only thing wrong with the DZ when we looked at it the next day was trash from his fuel system in the regulator.
  3.He loaned his 1 spare DZ to Jim after his engine broke. Found to be due to bad valve adjustment-burned valves-overheated piston--broke. Again to keep Jim flying ----- 
  Thought that needed to be cleared up.
  By the way we buy all our YS's from a hobby shop, no sponsorship from YS-just to clear that up.
  Jerry

  Original Message ----- 
    From: Mike Hester 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:55 PM
    Subject: Re: YS Longevity and Fuel $$$ Part 2


    So the YS out performs the 2 strokes? Pilot workload is lower? Ok, if you say so. You're the FAI dude, I'm an adanced nobody.

    So why is it there are so many problems with keeping a YS running at a contest? I can't remember one single contest in the last 3 years that at least 2 people weren't having MAJOR issues with thier YS. Sometimes 6 or 7. Of course, if you ask them about it, it never happens...only at every contest. I simply can't say the same thing for OS engines. Webras, yes. But locally at least, I can't remember anyone ever having a problem with an OS. Not saying it didn't happen, but if it did, it was so inconsequencial that it slipped by unnoticed. I'm sure it has happened. I can't remember anyone missing a round because thier OS quit or wouldn't run though. Heck at the last contest I went to a coupel weeks ago. Lamar brought 5 YSs with him, and all of them were in a plane by the end of the contest. I lost count of the number of rounds missed or cut short. If this was the only one, I'd be inclined to think it was coincidence. But it's all the time.

    Ok, you top FAI guys apparently never have a problem with YSs. is it because you learned thier every minor details, or something else? Because there are very few people I know that have reliable, successful runs with YS engines. Are they just ill informed? Is it the climate? 

    Let's take a hypothetical. Take Joe average. He flies alone, doesn't live close to an experienced YS owner, he has to do it all himself. He has 2 planes: One with a brand new DZ, one with a brand new OS 140RX. What are his chances on getting these things running, reliable and dependable? Surely you can't tell me that the YS engine is as user friendly as the OS. You once mentioned how us lower class guys get a "warm and fuzzy feeling" from 2 strokes. Well, if one option is constantly fiddling and dead sticking, and the other is getting flights in, I think I'll take my warm and fuzzy feeling thanka very much, and what the "top" FAI guys do be damned. If/when I get to the finals in FAI, then I may change my mind. until then, I'd rather fly. 

    Here's the bottom line, and you can't dispute this. If you have an engine that works, it's much better than an engine that doesn't work....for YOU. I could care less what the top 10 FAI guys are using, I am not a top 10 FAI guy...and neither are over 1000 others out there reading this. Looks like an OS 140 won Masters at the Nats last year, I haven't looked at this year, but it doesn't matter. Looks like Jason won FAI this year with an electric...not a YS. 

    Isn't it more important for the average pattern guy coming through the ranks to have a set up he can operate, than worry about what the top 10 FAI guys are using? Which one has the better chance of success for a newer pattern pilot, or the average guy? I don't need anyone to tell me, my own eyes already ansered that question long ago, and every contest I go to reinforces it even more. 

    Look, if it works for you, by all means use it and be proud of it. Whether it be YS, OS, Webra, Hacker, 3M, Supertiger, or a DA 50 for that matter. Just because the top few (sponsored mind you) pilots use one brand of engine doesn't mean everyone else is kidding themselves. This line of "logic" is what gripes me the most. 

    That all being said, I'm going to bed because I'm practicing in the morning. Unlike a lot of people out there, I am about 99.999% certain my engine will NOT be an issue. 

    Cyaz,
    -Mike

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Troy Newman 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:00 PM
      Subject: Re: YS Longevity and Fuel $$$ Part 2


      No John you didn't miss anything!

      Performance does matter! When the chips are down that is. Pilot workload is lower and a major advantage with the YS motor.

      TN
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