Off Topic - Big Buff Crash

[Ed White]

Thanks Peter, that's the video I was remembering.  You
can clearly see the spoiler on the right wing trying
to oppose the roll.  Another source for the video had
this note with it:

(A note regarding this awful video, provided by a
former B-52 pilot: "The B-52 in a steep turn at low
airspeed loses roll control, resulting in a natural
over-banking tendency.  The small rudder authority is
unable keep the nose from dropping, nor can it pick up
the lower wing.  B-52s do not have conventional
ailerons, but spoilers on the upper wing surface
similar to the MU-2.  The first flashes of light seen
prior to impact is the lower wing contacting high
power transmission lines in the area.")

Ed


--- Peter Pennisi <pentagon.systems at bigpond.com>
wrote:

> Hi Guys
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> Found the link for the real B52 crash if anyone is
> interested. 
> 
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>
http://airside.paradise.net.nz/video/B52%20bomber%202.wmv
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> 
> Cheers, 
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Pennisi
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> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ed White
> Sent: Friday, 3 September 2004 7:02 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Off Topic - Big Buff Crash
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> 
> A guy who used to work for me flew B-52's.  He said
> that if you get it to 60
> degrees bank angle you better have 10,000 feet under
> you because it was
> going to do exactly what you see in the video and
> there's nothing you can do
> about it.  Several years ago there was a spectacular
> crash of a B-52 at an
> airshow.  Exactly this happened.  The pilot tried a
> low altitude, high bank
> angle turn.  There is a well known video of this
> crash, but I don't have a
> URL for it.  If you see it, pay close attention to
> the ailerons.  Before it
> hits you can see the pilot has full opposite aileron
> trying to bring it back
> out of the bank and the plane just continues on
> rolling over.
> 
>  
> 
> Ed
> 
> Bill Glaze <billglaze at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Nik:
> Thanks for the posting, even if it's a heartbreaker.
> A lot of friends 
> of mine have flown the B52 in service. Nobody ever
> mentioned anything 
> like the spiral dive problems noted. A friend of
> mine has actually spun 
> one of them, (glad I wasn't along for that!) and
> another has had the 
> fin/rudder depart the airplane in mid-Atlantic, due
> to extreme 
> turbulence. He said the Dutch roll was impossible to
> describe; but they 
> got the thing back to the States and a red-alert
> landing.
> In a model size, if it had only spoilers in lieu of
> ailerons, as on the 
> full size, the aerodynamics just might prevent a
> spiral recovery. 
> Obviously, something prevented a recovery.
> Bill Glaze
> 
> Nik Middleton wrote:
> 
> > Thought some might be interested in this video. It
> was shot last 
> > weekend at the british Nationals.
> > 
> > B52 has eight gas turbines. Weather was very
> windy. Apparently, if 
> > the bank angle is more than 20 degress, the
> aircraft will enter a 
> > spiral dive. Not sure if this is the same on full
> size or not
> > 
> > rgds
> > 
> > http://www.teambanana.co.uk/b52crash2.wmv
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