CD's

[Rcmaster199 at aol.com]

Charlie the idea is not so much for the Sportsmen to scribe, but to  actually 
have score sheets also and actually judge, but unofficially. Sportsmen  as 
scribes is a common thing in many contests around the country and used to be  
here in D3. Over the past couple years  we have used RVP's and  Fuqua's idea of 
first writing the score on a scratch sheet and then transcribing  onto the 
real thing during final.
 
MattK
 
In a message dated 10/28/2004 11:00:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
crock at kc.rr.com writes:

Having Sportsman class do the scribing that way they can watch at times  and 
compare what the other judge gave for a score, compared to their  
interpetation, and ask questions after the flying..Would cure the dreaded  C/D issue of no 
scribes in the higher classes..Kill two birds with one stone  that way...Of 
course if there is a low turnout of Sportsman back to square  one. Just a 
thought! Charlie

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Rcmaster199 at aol.com_ (mailto:Rcmaster199 at aol.com)  
To: _discussion at nsrca.org_ (mailto:discussion at nsrca.org)  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:56  PM
Subject: Re: CD's



I think that its a good idea to give Sportsmen the opportunity to judge  
unofficially. Have a Sportsman pilot judge along with with the seasoned  judges 
that have be asigned for the round, any class. Have them discretely  look over 
the assigned judges' shoulders. No talking of course until the  flights are 
done, and their scores do not count, but what better way to  expose Sportsmen 
pilots?
 
Do this only for the first two rounds of a contest or until all the  Sportmen 
have "judged", which ever is best to expose all. Takes just a bit  more 
planning by the CD but the service to the judging pool in any District  would be 
invaluable.
 
Doesn't answer Nat's original issue with too many pilots not enough  judges, 
but its a start. By the second or third contest, you could have an  extra half 
dozen judges you otherwise wouldn't have.
 
MattK
 
In a message dated 10/28/2004 7:33:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
mrandmrst at comcast.net writes:

Hi All,
 I have yet to be at a contest that  Sportsman pilots were given the 
opportunity to judge, however, I can  surely see that logic.  Most Sportsman pilots, 
that I have  met, are so new to the Pattern world, they haven't the knowledge 
of  proper form of the maneuvers in the upper classes to judge them  fairly.
You have to know what the maneuver is  supposed to look like to judge it 
properly.  As for myself, I have  completed about half of a complete season as a 
Sportsman pilot in D4, and  I plan to attend a judging seminar next year so I 
can be of service if  called upon.
 
Ken

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Wayne Galligan_ (mailto:wgalligan at goodsonacura.com)  
To: _discussion at nsrca.org_ (mailto:discussion at nsrca.org)  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004  6:58 PM
Subject: Re: CD's


Nat,
 
I think one should at least have attended a  judging seminar.  I for one did 
not feel comfortable judging till I  went to a judging seminar.  At that point 
do you have  a good idea of what constitutes the criterion for being able to  
judge a given class?  I think when you can keep up with  each maneuver with 
out any lapse in judgment to the next maneuver  your capable of judging that 
class.  Heck... sportsman class can be  a challenge when you have a guy that 
flies a fast pattern.    Be fair to yourself and don't be ashamed if you missed a 
maneuver.  That's what N/O (not observed) rule is for.  Use a scribe if you  
feel the flow goes to fast so you can concentrate on the whole  picture.  As 
Master Don Ramsey taught me... All maneuvers  start with 10 and then get 
deductions from there.  Don't make the  mistake like I did when I  first started 
judging of watching the  whole maneuver then giving a score.  Takes to much time 
to think  about it.
 
Wayne GO. want be a good  judge.
 
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Nat Penton_ (mailto:natpenton at centurytel.net)  
To: _discussion at nsrca.org_ (mailto:discussion at nsrca.org)  
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004  4:07 PM
Subject: CD's


The Sulphur , La. contest was just  completed with six rounds flown. There 
were 23 fliers with 8 sportsman  and 7 intermediate.
 
The judge assignments were approached  with the following (mis) conceptions:
         Sportsman             no judging
        Intermediate           Sports and Adv only
 
This placed quite a burden on the upper  class judges.
 
Would appreciate comments regarding  criteria.  TIA








 
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