Warning to Masters Pilots

Mon Nov 15 06:45:54 AKST 2004

Arch, well put.

My problem so far in this maneuver has been making the upside resemble a loop, the snap ends up nose high.

Archie Stafford <astafford at 3states.net> wrote:
This really is not that much tougher than any other maneuver. With the
breaking available today with the large fuselages. When you exit the half
loop with 2/4 if you come off the power and slow way down, much the same way
you would for a spin, except don't stall. You will not have that much
forward speed. With the amount of power available today with these planes.
I can't see there being much more force on the wing tube, than an Advanced
flyer taking a 1.40DZ on a light pattern plane wide open into the top of a
normal avalanche. I saw the FAI guys do this maneuver last year, and done
well it is a very pretty maneuver and the snaps really are not that violent
at the bottom. I don't think maneuver is anywhere near as violent as the 2
downline negative snaps, FAI did a few years ago. This is a maneuver that
will require excellent speed management, but when done well is a very pretty
maneuver. I think every year there is a rule change. There is one maneuver
that at first seems to be very difficult. On the last rules cycle, very few
people were hitting the 1 1/2 snap on the 45 downline (a maneuver I wish
they had left in this time instead of the 1 positive snap), but last year at
the nats. Almost everyone was hitting the 1 1/2 snap after flying it for a
length of time.

Arch

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Gene Maurice
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:42 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Warning to Masters Pilots

More food for thought on this maneuver................

Picture this: winds blowing 25 MPH, You find yourself out just a little to
far, loop got a little to big, you're close to the top of the trees, you
execute the snap, looks good, deeply stalled, comes around and for a change
wing are level, hit the power, MOTORS DEAD, so is your plane!!!!!! No air
speed, no energy left, no power, not enough altitude, and BTW you're over a
forest, a lake, a primordial swamp, or some other aircraft eating terrain!!!

THIS MANEUVER IS GOING TO CLAIM AIRPLANES!!!

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at comcast.net
Plano, TX
NSRCA 877
AMA 3408

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 7:37 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Warning to Masters Pilots

A few weeks ago I was experimenting with the speed/enegy required to do the 
loop with snap roll on the bottom. Be forewarned, I went into the loop with 
a little too much energy and bent my wing tube. I'm beginning to wonder 
whether this particular manuever should be changed for safety sake?

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