Judging and FAI P-05 and F-05

[Don Ramsey]

I couldn't agree more with Troy that the pilots should be aware of how they
are being graded.  That's why I do what I do.  I don't care which is correct
as far as the spin goes but I do want all contestants and judges to be aware
of how it will be judged at the major (all) contests and how it should be
flown in front of a world panel.  For the Team Selection Finals at the NATS
this year as well as the NATS F3A Finals last year I will use a powerpoint
presentation of printed slides for the pilots and judges just before the
first round so everyone is on the same page.  As always, all pilots are
invited to the presentation.

Hopefully I'll have an answer for the spin soon.

Don


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Troy Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: Judging and FAI P-05 and F-05


> My comment was that we in the USA are judging the spin that model is
crabbed
> into the wind.
>
> The TEAM Selection last year, NATS last year and so on the pilots were
told
> that the crab was OK. The
>
> AMA rules indicate the model must maitain the crab angle and not drift
until
> the stall occurs.  BUT The FAI rules tell us..... as the model slows and
> before it stalls the maintaning of the crab angle becomes determental to
the
> geometry of the manuever. Since the model is in a near stalled condition
it
> the wind drift is OK! Its the crabbing into the wind that makes the spins
> look funny and often sometimes hard to judge...This is extreme conditions.
> Now I would also acknowledge that drifting out to 300meters makes it tough
> to judge too!
>
>
> So the model fuse basically stays square (parralell in this case) to the
> flight line all the time...as the model approaches the stall break in the
> spin.
>
> I'm not pushing for one over the other in terms of what is correct. I am
> pushing that FAI needs to be judged on a standard at least equal to if not
> better than it is everywhere else in the world. The rules are what they
are
> and input beyond that is not fair to the pilot expected to fly it.
>
>
> These power point documents were actually produced by Bob Skinner the
> chairman of the CIAM committee for F3A. He is from South Africa I believe.
>
> They were posted on the British site. Bob also made similar documents for
> the 2003 sequences.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> >From: Marty King <mking46516 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >Subject: RE: Judging and FAI P-05 and F-05
> >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Troy,
> >
> >When you say differences is this not what all FAI judges world wide are
> >using? Or are you refering to how FAI and our current AMA rules differ?
Or
> >are the Brits feeding us wrong information?
> >
> >Marty King
> >NSRCA 2551
> >
> >Troy Newman <troy_newman at msn.com> wrote:
> >notice that in FAI spin entry is judging is not crabbed into the
> >wind...Model Remain parallel.
> >
> >Also that there are some other differences like roll rates need not be
> >constant in manuevers with varibale roll combos where there is only one
> >type
> >of a certain segment...example 4/8pt-slow roll oposite....but in a 3/4
slow
> >rolls in opposite they need to be the same.
> >
> >Also the sq loop with 1/2's up and dn and 2/4's on top and btm...the
1/2's
> >match and the 2/4's match.
> >
> >Just a couple little nuggets...there are lots of little differences.
> >
> >TN
> >
> >
> > >From: Marty King
> > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >Subject: Judging and FAI P-05 and F-05
> > >Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:45:18 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >I found this on the RC Canada board. These are power point
presentations
> >on
> > >Judging and the maneuvers for FAI. I found them very informative and a
> >good
> > >refresher. Those of you holding judging schools may want to review or
use
> > >these. They were created by the Great Britain Aerobatic Association.
They
> > >can be copied and saved to you local PC or laptop. You may need the
> > >additional fonts that are listed. My XP box didn't.
> > >
> > >http://members.shaw.ca/teamcanadaf3a/powerpoint/judgepres.ppt
> > >
> > >http://members.shaw.ca/teamcanadaf3a/powerpoint/FAIpres.ppt
> > >
> > >http://members.shaw.ca/teamcanadaf3a/powerpoint/fonts.zip
> > >
> > >I hope you take the time to view these,
> > >
> > >Marty King
> > >NSRCA 2551
> > >D-4
> > >
> > >
> > >
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