FW: Comments on 2005 rules cycle changes voted by AMA contest board.
Joe Lachowski
jlachow at hotmail.com
Fri May 7 17:04:49 AKDT 2004
Forwarded are Eric Hendersons comments regarding the vote along with
relevant survey results.
My personal opinion on the whole process is that contest board members
should not be allowed to participate in making the rules proposals. I
consider it a conflict of interest. Also, an abstained vote should be
considered a yes vote. Your either for it or against it, no in between.
>
>From: Eric Henderson [mailto:Eric.henderson at comcast.net]
>Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 1:42 PM
>Subject: Comments on 2005 rules cycle changes voted by AMA contest board.
>
>
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>By my count the AMA contest board voted as follows;
>
>
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>Contest board Chairman's Proposals 5 Passed 5
>
>NSRCA's Proposals 12 Passed 6,
>Failed 6
>
>Charlie Reed's Proposals 1 Passed 1
>
>Tony Stillman's Proposal 1 Passed 1
>
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-1.pdf> RCA05-01: PASSED To
>clarify entering and exiting the box. Proposed by Charlie Reed.
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-02.pdf> RCA05-02: PASSED To
>clean up no longer applicable, outdated or mismatched components of the
>rulebook. They are not intended to change the intent or meaning of the
>portion where they are contained. Proposed by John Fuqua - AMA Contest
>board
>chairman, Ron Putte and Tony Stillman.
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-03.pdf> RCA05-03: PASSED To
>change certain components of the rulebook with the intent of allowing
>greater CD flexibility and to provide for recognition of the way contests
>are run today. Proposed by John Fuqua - AMA Contest board chairman, Ron
>Putte and Tony Stillman.
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-03cpl.pdf> RCA05-03CPI: PASSED
>The original proposal was submitted to change certain components of the
>rulebook with the intent of allowing greater CD flexibility and to provide
>for recognition of the way contest are run today. This Cross Proposal is
>submitted to correct a deficiency noted by an NSRCA District VP regarding
>use of poles and lines at certain contests. Proposed by John Fuqua - AMA
>Contest board chairman, Ron Putte and Tony Stillman.
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-04.pdf> RCA05-04: PASSED
>Correct misunderstandings regarding judging spins. Proposed by John Fuqua -
>AMA Contest board chairman, Ron Putte and Tony Stillman.
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPPRCA05-05.pdf> RCA05-05: PASSED
>Implement non-judged Takeoffs and Landings while still ensuring that pilots
>demonstrate takeoff and landing proficiency. Proposed by John Fuqua - AMA
>Contest board chairman, Ron Putte and Tony Stillman.
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-06.pdf> RCA05-06: PASSED
>Proposed new Masters sequence. Proposed by NSRCA from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-07.pdf> RCA05-07: FAILED
>Allow
>contestants to use any AMA legal airplane in the Sportsman class at the
>discretion of the Contest Director. Proposed by NSRCA from NSRCA survey
>vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-08.pdf> RCA05-08: PASSED
>Eliminate the forced advancement of those who cannot attain the expertise
>because of age and/or skill level limitations. Proposed by NSRCA from
>NSRCA
>survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-09.pdf> RCA05-09: FAILED
>Accept the idea that older contestants may not be able to maintain their
>performance skill sand therefore there should be an exception to rule
>8.2.1.
>Proposed by NSRCA from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-10.pdf> RCA05-10: PASSED
>Correction of wording mistakes in the rule book. Proposed by NSRCA from
>NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-12.pdf> RCA05-12: FAILED
>Eliminate the confusion about take off and centering. Proposed by NSRCA
>from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-13.pdf> RCA05-13: FAILED
>Clarify the definition of required altitudes for center maneuvers.
>Proposed
>by NSRCA from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-14.pdf> RCA05-14: FAILED Add
>to the definition of Spins on page 78 that the drift of the spin may cause
>the airplane to leave the aerobatic box without penalty. Proposed by NSRCA
>from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-15.pdf> RCA05-15: PASSED Add
>to the definition of Spins on page 78 that the stall before the spin need
>not be proceeded by a complete stop of forward motion of the plane.
>Proposed by NSRCA from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-16.pdf> RCA05-16: PASSED
>Eliminate the requirement to restrict Sportsman competitors to fixed gear
>only. Proposed by NSRCA from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-17.pdf> RCA05-17: FAILED Add
>2
>maneuvers to the end of the present Intermediate (402) sequence. Proposed
>by NSRCA from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-18.pdf> RCA05-18: PASSED Add
>definition of "Straight and Level Flight". Proposed by NSRCA from NSRCA
>survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-19.pdf> RCA05-19: FAILED Add
>to the definition of Spins on page 78 the pilot's permission to point his
>plane straight down following spin recovery without downgrade. Proposed by
>NSRCA from NSRCA survey vote
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-23.pdf> RCA05-23: PASSED
>Allow
>current AMA noise standards for FAI competitions, except for the USA F3A
>Team Selection Contest. Proposed by Tony , OJ Stillman and Ron Putte.
>
>
>Relevant NSRCA 2005 AMA RULES CHANGES SURVEY RESULTS
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>
>
>Questions specific to maneuvers and schedules with failed proposals
>inserted.
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>
>
>Question 1. Maneuvers and Schedules Annex proposal.
>
>
>401
>
>Question-7
>
>Should system be designed so the sequences are potentially changed every
>rule cycle (3 years)
>
>
>YES = 132____ NO = 46_____ RESULT = PASS ____
>
>
>
>Questions specific to Classes or 2005-2007 Maneuvers
>
>
>
>Question-10
>
>Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
>
>
>YES = 152____ NO = 26_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
>
>
>Question-12 Should the Sportsman class allow retractable undercarriage to
>be
>operated in flight.
>
>
>YES = 155____ NO = 27_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-07.pdf> RCA05-07: FAILED
>Allow
>contestants to use any AMA legal airplane in the Sportsman class at the
>discretion of the Contest Director
>
>Question-13
>
>Should we allow any AMA legal aircraft to be used in the Sportsman class to
>encourage entry into this class
>
>
>YES = 117____ NO = 70_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>402
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-17.pdf> RCA05-17: FAILED Add
>2
>maneuvers to the end of the present Intermediate (402) sequence.
><http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-18.pdf>
>
>Question-16
>
>Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
>
>
>YES = 156____ NO = 25_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
>Question-17 Would you like to see that a maneuver with and associated
>turnaround be written into the schedule to exit upwind.
>
>
>YES = 157____ NO = 12_____ RESULT = PASS ____
>
>
>
>
>Question-18
>
>Choose one of the following;
>
>
>
>either
>
>a) The 45-degree down-line snap and Immelmann turnaround be tried again
>as the final 2 maneuvers
>
>
>YES = _64___ NO = 57_____ RESULT = WINNER____
>
>
>
>
>or
>
>b) Immelmann into a Two turn spin
>
>
>YES = 52____ NO = 40_____ RESULT ____
>
>
>
>
>or
>
>c) Immelmann into a 45 degree down with two 1/2 rolls
>
>
>YES = 47____ NO = 49_____ RESULT ____
>
>
>
>403
>
>Question-19
>
>Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
>
>
>YES = 135____ NO = 39_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
>
>Masters - 404
>
>Question-21
>
>Should the Masters 404 class be changed periodically
>
>
>YES = 163____ NO = 5_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
>
>Question-28
>
>If the 404 schedule should change which one should be adopted. Please bear
>in mind that even if an Annex system is adopted there still needs to be a
>schedule that you all vote for the 2005 Masters.
>
>42____ Schedule 1 = WINNER
>
>13____ Schedule 2
>
>21____ Schedule 3
>
>24____ NO CHANGE
>
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-19.pdf>
>RCA05-19:FAILEDAdd to the definition of Spins on page 78 the pilot's
>permission topoint his plane straight down following spin recovery
>withoutdowngrade
>
>Spin Description - This description allows for the fact that a plane will
>most likely not be pointing straight down after a spin is stopped. Should
>the description either be as above or changed to add the following:
>
>
>
>Question-33 if the plane is pointed down by the pilot after the spin
>rotation stops then there should be no downgrade???
>
>
>YES = 117____ NO = 46_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-12.pdf>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-13.pdf>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-14.pdf> RCA05-14: FAILED Add
>to the definition of Spins on page 78 that the drift of the spin may cause
>the airplane to leave the aerobatic box without penalty.
>
>Question-34
>
>Should we change "near vertical" terminology in spin descriptions to say
>"within * 10* of vertical".
>
>
>YES = 88____ NO = 74_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
>Question-35
>
>Add to spin definitions: "Stall may occur without while still having
>forward
>progress relative to the ground.
>
>
>YES = 115____ NO = 30_____ RESULT =CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
>Question-36
>
>Define turnaround spin box position as "point of stall". Wind drift after
>stall not be considered even if out of box on a turnaround maneuver.)
>
>
>YES = 118____ NO = 41_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-12.pdf>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-13.pdf> RCA05-13: FAILED
>Clarify the definition of required altitudes for center maneuvers.
><http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-14.pdf>
>
>Specify that there is no base-line requirement that all centered maneuvers
>have to be performed at the same top and bottom altitudes during the
>routine.
>
>
>YES = 114____ NO = 55_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-12.pdf> RCA05-12: FAILED
>Eliminate the confusion about take off and centering.
>
>Question-40
>
>Clarify that take-off is a centered maneuver
>
>
>YES = 130____ NO = 43_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Clarify that landing has a landing zone and that landings are only
>downgraded for centering when out of that 30 meter zone. Basically it is
>thus not a maneuver that is centered on the box centerline.
>
>
>YES = 148____ NO = 25_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
>
>Question-42
>
>Define that upon a model entering the box, that judging begins 15 meters
>before commencement of the first upcoming maneuver and, likewise, ends 15
>meters after the last maneuver followed by a box exit.
>
>
>YES = 130____ NO = 37_____ RESULT =CHANGE____
>
>
>
>Question-44
>
>Correct the rulebook definition and downgrades for the two rolls. This is
>currently in error as a three definition.
>
>
>YES = 166____ NO = 3_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
>Class advancement
>
>
>
>Question-49
>
>Should people really be forced to move up
>
>
>YES = 58____ NO = 125_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>Question-50
>
>
>Should we drop the point system and allow people to move when they are
>comfortable.
>
>
>YES = 94____ NO = 90_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE
>
>
>
>
>Question-51
>
>Allow points to degrade over time. Points from four years ago would not
>count any more.
>
>
>YES = 128____ NO = 40_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
> <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/RULES/RPRCA05-09.pdf> RCA05-09: FAILED
>Accept the idea that older contestants may not be able to maintain their
>performance skill sand therefore there should be an exception to rule
>8.2.1.
>
>
>
>Question-54
>
>Permit that above a certain age pilots can fly any class.
>
>
>YES = 115____ NO = 61_____ RESULT = CHANGE____
>
>
>
>
>Question-57
>
>Should a three-year "moving window" advancement concept be instituted as
>follows: Advancement points are evaluated at the end of each calendar year
>using points the pilot accumulated during the three previous years. If
>enough points have been earned, the pilot must move up. If not, points
>earned three seasons ago are discarded and advancement is reevaluated the
>following year. For example, evaluate at the end of 1999 using points
>earned
>during 1997, 1998, & 1999. If no advancement is required, reevaluate in
>2000
>using points earned in 1998, 1999, & 2000.
>
>
>YES = 92____ NO = 72_____ RESULT = NO CHANGE (NOT 60%)____
>
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