Earl's excellent observations

[jivey61 at bellsouth.net]

 Matt
 I am confused. When you finish the sequences you call out of box, which to me means you go out of the aerobatic zone  being 60-60 either side. Now explain how I stay in the box to make this landing turn without going out of the aerobatic zone.If you turn away from the zone edge then you have to re-enter the box because you were out of box.I understand the turn should be away(out) from the box edge. All this is confusion to me..DUH.

Jim Ivey
> 
> From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com
> Date: 2004/07/31 Sat AM 01:29:13 EDT
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations
> 
> I saw three such landing examples at the F3A Finals, when the pilots turned 
> into the runway (rather than away from it) to go downwind. Two exited the 
> aerobatic zone to enter the downwind leg, which BTW required re-entry into the 
> zone. I assumed that the term "Aerobatic Zone" was defined as the show stage 
> between the +/- 60 degree lines. I tend to look at the rule this way: once the F3A 
> pilot committed to enter the box, he should not exit it until his turn to 
> final. 
> 
> Interestingly, the third pilot who made a turn toward the runway to enter his 
> downwind leg,  did not exit the zone. The turn direction is at pilot's 
> discretion. Pilot is allowed to make the turn to downwind leg in either direction; 
> it's just easier to do it away. BUT, turning away he should not make it so wide 
> that he violates the distance out rule. 
> 
> These two landing sequences also had the issue of the downwind turn being 
> greater than 180 degrees. The verbiage of the rule is somewhat unfortunate 
> because 180 degrees is a specified value. I believe the writer of the rule intended 
> for the turn to be a simple directional reversal in the horizontal plane, but 
> it isn't up to me to make that intrepretation. However, as a judgement call, I 
> allowed it
> 
> Note that the verbiage in regard to the upwind turn to go to final approach, 
> is less clear and I allowed the guys to exit the box to turn to final without 
> assessing a downgrade. Also note that any downgrade observed in the landing 
> sequence must be a 10 point downgrade (Don uses that terminology and I like it). 
> 
> I was told that I may have nitpicked a bit here, but, in my opinion, there is 
> no room for "grey" in the landing (and take-off) sequence. It's either black 
> or white and not both
> 
> Matt K
> Zero
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Brian Young 
> To: discussion at nsrca.org 
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations
> 
> 
> What if its not?
> 
> Don Ramsey <donramsey at cox-internet.com> wrote: 
> The landing sequence also requires that the 180 degree turn to downwind be
> in the aerobatic zone.
> 
> Don
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Ferrell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations
> 
> 
> > I can post your drawings in my personal web space, just send me a copy.
> >
> > Bill Glaze pointed out to me that the FAI landing sequence requires that
> > once you begin your descent to landing, you can never gain any altitude
> > according to the book. There would have been a lot of unhappy finalists if
> > this was enforced at Muncie. The only available penalty is a zero...
> >
> > John Ferrell
> > http://DixieNC.US
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dean Pappas" 
> ! > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:25 PM
> > Subject: Earl's excellent observations
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> > wifferdil ... I just call 'em twinkle-rolls!
> > What I would like to see is for our team members to have two new arrows in
> > their quiver at the next Worlds.
> > One is a real snap that comes out on heading or is quickly corrected.
> (hint:
> > the more deeply the airplane is stalled in the initial break, the less
> lift
> > is available for heading loss.) 
> 
> 

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