Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin g)

[Wayne Galligan]

I'll debate that one Del.    For all practical purposes the digital trims
are best for me.   I had a mechanical trim transmitter(wont mention any name
brands) and during landing one time I accidentally pulled the elevator trim
all the way down instead of the throttle causing the plane to balloon up.  I
had the same thing going on that Kieth did only I use a tray and needless to
say I blew those landing points.  PLUS the digital trims wont accidentally
get knock off when handling the transmitter when it is off.  .Now I know if
your plane is trimmed properly all you have to do is set the trims to
center. But incidental things happen.  FWIW...

Wayne G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin
g)


> Or staying away from electronic trims...
>
>     All my radios have been mechanical and will stay that way if I have my
> way..
>
>                   del
>                NSRCA - 473
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:25 PM
> Subject: RE: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for somethin
> g)
>
>
> > Hi Keith,
> > Funny you should write that....I had the very same thing happen a few
> months
> > ago, but fortunately it was throttle trim.....BEEP beep beep beep
beep....
> > what the heck? (Futaba 8U) I thought I was losing transmitter
> voltage!!!!and
> > got it on the ground fast.  After landing I realized the strap snap
> > problem....now my preflight includes a quick check of my strap.   A
strong
> > case for trays:)
> >
> > Chris
> > NSRCS 3601
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Keith Black
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:08 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Speaking of lessons learned (was are you looking for
> > something)
> >
> >
> > Speaking of lessons learned!
> >
> > Saturday I went flying in a brief window of good weather. I was anxious
to
> > go not only because I'm always anxious to go but I was also anxious to
try
> > out my new 10X.
> >
> > I'd spent a lot of time making 100% sure that everything on the 10X
> behaved
> > exactly as my old 8103. As the plane reaches lift-off speed I gently
> pulled
> > back on the elevator and the plane pulled up hard going straight up. I
> > thought to myself "that wasn't very smooth". I apply a slight bit of
down
> to
> > level it out but still it's going straight up, and beginning loop
> backwards.
> > Now I push a lot of down to keep it from coming over. I'm thinking "I
> can't
> > believe I missed the setup that bad, there's no way... fix the trim and
> see
> > what's wrong on the ground". I feed in down trim, barley any effect, now
I
> > feed in a lot of down and finally get it leveled out, then suddenly
vroom
> > straight up again. I think "OH NO, CHECK THE ANTENNA", but it's up.
Shove
> in
> > down, get it level, hit trims more, plane levels then surges up again.
> Back
> > off the throttle, hold down, plane levels but is so slow it's mushy and
I
> > think maybe the ailerons are also gone. Wait, no it's turning now. Level
> the
> > elevator trim again. Then I hear that beep, beep, beep, beeeep of the
> trims
> > moving BY THEMSELVES! "Oh NO the radio's flaking out! Did I spill water
or
> > my cleaner on it? It wasn't having any problems before!"  Now the plane
is
> > doing a wild porpoise routine all around. I think to myself that there's
> no
> > way this things getting on the ground without being destroyed. I call
for
> > help, no pattern fliers there, mainly newbies, finally one seasoned
pilot
> > comes to my side. I tell him the radios got problems, the trims are
going
> > nuts. He encourages me to just get it down the best I can. I make a long
> > slow porpoising circle to line up for landing. He says, " the field's
wet
> > and soft just set it down out there and maybe it won't get damaged too
> bad."
> > I pull up the retracts, try to level it out, it's coming at the runway
at
> a
> > 45 deg angle, I've got to get it down before it gets too close! Kill the
> > engine, forget the trims now just hold down, it's pretty sensitive, just
> > easing off the elevator slightly makes it porpoise up again. It's level
> now,
> > gentle, gentle...  I can't believe it, it's on the ground smooth as
silk!
> >
> > Now I look down at the radio and see what the problem is! The ring
that's
> on
> > the end of my neck strap was caught behind the elevator trim. The weight
> > from the radio on the strap was pulling the trim back to full up trim!
> With
> > the trim precision set to 4 steps per click full up trim was a lot of
> trim.
> >
> > I can't believe how close I was to loosing my plane over something so
> > stupid! I've used that same strap with my 8103 for the last two and a
half
> > years and that's never happened, but on the 10X the trims are just
enough
> > closer and/or higher to allow the ring on the end to get wedged between
> the
> > trim and strap connector.
> >
> > I should point out that I was not using the strap that comes with the
10X,
> > the one I was using is more comfortable, but from now on I'll opt for
> > control over comfort. :-D
> >
> > Keith Black
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "D Suding" <junk at velocitus.net>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: Dennis Suding, are you looking for something?
> >
> >
> > > Okay, I left my wings to my Temptation at the field one night last
week.
> > > My wife is 9 months pregnant and my mind isn't with my wings.
Thankfully
> > > Tony Quist recognized them and took them to the nearest hobby shop
> > > (Franks)
> > >
> > > Let this be a lesson, kids: Don't forget your wings!  It's hard to fly
> > > without them.
> > >
> > > Thanks again Tony!!!
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > Dennis email me privately.
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> > >
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