Judging class design

[Del K. Rykert]

Thanks for setting me straight Tony..

         del
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Stillman" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Judging class design


> Del:
>
> I wasn't actually asking for help, more to let everyone know that NSRCA is
> working on this, and that Don Ramsey is in charge.
>
> Tony Stillman
> Radio South
> 3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> Pensacola, FL 32505
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:42 PM
> Subject: Fw: Judging class design
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Del K. Rykert
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Judging class design
> >
> >
> > Hi Tony..
> >     I would love to help but if I did it might get finished for 2005 or
> > 2006. I don't have the time or resources.
> >
> >     del
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Tony Stillman
> >   To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >   Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:12 PM
> >   Subject: Re: Judging class design
> >
> >
> >   I have two people now working on video and computer-generated models
> > flying through maneuvers.  Don Ramsey is heading this up, but the idea
is
> to
> > update the Judging Video with some new footage and narration.  If you
are
> > interested, you might send Don an a-mail about the project...
> >
> >   Tony Stillman
> >   Radio South
> >   3702 N. Pace Blvd.
> >   Pensacola, FL 32505
> >   1-800-962-7802
> >   www.radiosouthrc.com
> >     ----- Original Message ----- 
> >     From: Del K. Rykert
> >     To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >     Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:15 PM
> >     Subject: Re: Judging class design
> >
> >
> >     I always thought the best solution would be to have a close-up frame
> of
> > the model within the full screen set off to one corner to visually see
> both
> > up close and the full view with background. The expense of creating such
a
> > work I guess is prohibitive financially.
> >
> >                   del
> >                    NSRCA - 473
> >       ----- Original Message ----- 
> >       From: Bill Glaze
> >       To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >       Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:44 PM
> >       Subject: Re: Judging class design
> >
> >
> >       Eric:
> >       I admit to "shooting from the hip" on this one, but I wanted to
get
> in
> > a couple of thoughts.
> >       As it developed, (no pun!) I did a lot of filming at the Nats.
> >
> >       1.)  Any usable film, showing an entire sequence, would be a good
> > thing to go through for potential judges, preferably as soon before the
> > flight to be judged as possible.  (even a week or so would be a help.)
> It
> > might help alleviate that problem where the first flier is the judges
> > learning curve, and, sometimes, may get an unfair score. (Either higher
or
> > lower than deserved.)  Just seeing the maneuvers, in sequence, would be
a
> > help particularly after a winter layoff.  The figures certainly need not
> be
> > perfect, just well recognizable.
> >
> >       2.)  My tapes showed me that perfection is certainly not necessary
> on
> > the part of the photographer--believe me!  I had no difficulty following
> the
> > person's flying, and, knowing the next figure was a great help in
> > anticipating where the airplane was to be "pointed."  In fact, after
> showing
> > a top-notch pilot a maneuver he thought he had zeroed, he could plainly
> see
> > that the figure was, in fact, rather good.
> >
> >       3.) Because the main problem was shakiness on my part, (try
holding
> a
> > camera steady for 15 minutes at 32 power magnification, you'll see what
I
> > mean) next time I will try a good-quality pan-head tripod.  I did try
> > sitting down in a lawn chair, which helped, but it still did nothing to
> > brace my elbows.  Photographer fatigue IS a problem.
> >
> >       4.) With respect to the magnification, the lower powers will show
> the
> > airplane and any clouds (or possibly some background) which makes it
> easier
> > to check for geometry, but won't show errors such as wings not level,
etc.
> A
> > good compromise seems to be about 10-15 power; not always the case, but
> > frequently so.
> >
> >       Just a few rapid-fire thoughts.
> >
> >       Bill Glaze
> >
> >
> >       Henderson,Eric wrote:
> >
> >              One thing that I have always wished we could do, with
judges
> > training, is run through each schedule with the specifics for each
> maneuver.
> > The thinking being that it is OK to learn all the possible down grades,
> but
> > it is easier to remember a set of down grades for a schedule. There are
> the
> > usual generic downgrades like angles and centering etc. But each
maneuver
> > has a list that is probably worth going through. There are classics like
> > which way the pull or the push is on a Humpty, or which way up the cross
> > line is in a reverse top hat. Breeding familiarity with the 2004
schedules
> > might be beneficial.
> >
> >         <<Text  clipped..>>
> >             If you try and segment maneuvers such as stall turns and
snaps
> > you need to keep the camera on track and not follow the displacement of
> the
> > plane. (Also set auto focus off and select infinity). Spins have to be
> dome
> > very low and or the camera needs to be on top of the "clubhouse". You
just
> > can't get the plane to look level. Often we could only do one spin we
were
> > so low trying to get a good result.
> >
> >         I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who is giving this a
> > shot.
> >
> >         Regards,
> >
> >         Eric
> >
> >
> >
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