Judging class design

[Tony Stillman]

Del:

I wasn't actually asking for help, more to let everyone know that NSRCA is
working on this, and that Don Ramsey is in charge.

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: Fw: Judging class design


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Del K. Rykert
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Judging class design
>
>
> Hi Tony..
>     I would love to help but if I did it might get finished for 2005 or
> 2006. I don't have the time or resources.
>
>     del
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Tony Stillman
>   To: discussion at nsrca.org
>   Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:12 PM
>   Subject: Re: Judging class design
>
>
>   I have two people now working on video and computer-generated models
> flying through maneuvers.  Don Ramsey is heading this up, but the idea is
to
> update the Judging Video with some new footage and narration.  If you are
> interested, you might send Don an a-mail about the project...
>
>   Tony Stillman
>   Radio South
>   3702 N. Pace Blvd.
>   Pensacola, FL 32505
>   1-800-962-7802
>   www.radiosouthrc.com
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Del K. Rykert
>     To: discussion at nsrca.org
>     Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 1:15 PM
>     Subject: Re: Judging class design
>
>
>     I always thought the best solution would be to have a close-up frame
of
> the model within the full screen set off to one corner to visually see
both
> up close and the full view with background. The expense of creating such a
> work I guess is prohibitive financially.
>
>                   del
>                    NSRCA - 473
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>       From: Bill Glaze
>       To: discussion at nsrca.org
>       Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 2:44 PM
>       Subject: Re: Judging class design
>
>
>       Eric:
>       I admit to "shooting from the hip" on this one, but I wanted to get
in
> a couple of thoughts.
>       As it developed, (no pun!) I did a lot of filming at the Nats.
>
>       1.)  Any usable film, showing an entire sequence, would be a good
> thing to go through for potential judges, preferably as soon before the
> flight to be judged as possible.  (even a week or so would be a help.)
It
> might help alleviate that problem where the first flier is the judges
> learning curve, and, sometimes, may get an unfair score. (Either higher or
> lower than deserved.)  Just seeing the maneuvers, in sequence, would be a
> help particularly after a winter layoff.  The figures certainly need not
be
> perfect, just well recognizable.
>
>       2.)  My tapes showed me that perfection is certainly not necessary
on
> the part of the photographer--believe me!  I had no difficulty following
the
> person's flying, and, knowing the next figure was a great help in
> anticipating where the airplane was to be "pointed."  In fact, after
showing
> a top-notch pilot a maneuver he thought he had zeroed, he could plainly
see
> that the figure was, in fact, rather good.
>
>       3.) Because the main problem was shakiness on my part, (try holding
a
> camera steady for 15 minutes at 32 power magnification, you'll see what I
> mean) next time I will try a good-quality pan-head tripod.  I did try
> sitting down in a lawn chair, which helped, but it still did nothing to
> brace my elbows.  Photographer fatigue IS a problem.
>
>       4.) With respect to the magnification, the lower powers will show
the
> airplane and any clouds (or possibly some background) which makes it
easier
> to check for geometry, but won't show errors such as wings not level, etc.
A
> good compromise seems to be about 10-15 power; not always the case, but
> frequently so.
>
>       Just a few rapid-fire thoughts.
>
>       Bill Glaze
>
>
>       Henderson,Eric wrote:
>
>              One thing that I have always wished we could do, with judges
> training, is run through each schedule with the specifics for each
maneuver.
> The thinking being that it is OK to learn all the possible down grades,
but
> it is easier to remember a set of down grades for a schedule. There are
the
> usual generic downgrades like angles and centering etc. But each maneuver
> has a list that is probably worth going through. There are classics like
> which way the pull or the push is on a Humpty, or which way up the cross
> line is in a reverse top hat. Breeding familiarity with the 2004 schedules
> might be beneficial.
>
>         <<Text  clipped..>>
>             If you try and segment maneuvers such as stall turns and snaps
> you need to keep the camera on track and not follow the displacement of
the
> plane. (Also set auto focus off and select infinity). Spins have to be
dome
> very low and or the camera needs to be on top of the "clubhouse". You just
> can't get the plane to look level. Often we could only do one spin we were
> so low trying to get a good result.
>
>         I would appreciate any feedback from anyone who is giving this a
> shot.
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Eric
>
>
>
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