Displacement during snap rolls (was Why is it so quiet?)

[tony at radiosouthrc.com]

Archie:

Yes, you are right.  I was one of the judges on the FAI finals.  Andrew did everything right, just didn't show any motion on the nose of the airplane prior to the autorotation portion of the snap.  The rule book is very clear on this, and we as judges were pressed to follow the rules exactly.  That's what we did.  I found myself much harder on snaps than what I had been in the past.  I am working on my own snaps now, as I am sure that I have not been showing enough break in the past.  This will be an area that I will work hard on this year, and will also be interested to see how the Master's guys do when I judge them...  

I can also say that the break in a loop/snap maneuver like the Avalanche is much less visible, as the aircraft is already in a maneuver that requires a changing track (loop).  You won't see much of a "break" during this maneuver as you would from a straight-line snap....  

This discussion is good!

Tony Stillman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Archie Stafford 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:56 AM
  Subject: RE: Displacement during snap rolls (was Why is it so quiet?)


  Last year at the NATS the biggest thing they were looking for was the break.  You really had to show a VERY clean break.  The rule book doesn't specify how much break, but it was obvious last year that you really had to show a VERY clean break, even on the avalanches, which is very tough to do at the top of a loop and give a good break, or in FAI the snap at the bottom of the loop.  I talked to Andrew Jesky as well and he said the FAI judges were being the same way, the you really had to show a very definite break.

   

  I think the key to the displacement is how much rudder is in the snap.  From my experience if you have too much rudder the plane will displace from one side or the other.  You can take out some of the rudder and still have a truly stalled maneuver.  You use the elevator to stall the aircraft.

   

  I do have a question though.  How can an aircraft be "semi-stalled?"  Either the aircraft is stalled or it isn't. 

   


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  From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Randy
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:32 AM
  To: discussion at nsrca.org
  Subject: Re: Displacement during snap rolls (was Why is it so quiet?)

   

  Man I would love to see a video of different snaps and the judges scores from last years NATs.

  Randy

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: John Ferrell 

    To: discussion at nsrca.org 

    Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:19 AM

    Subject: Re: Displacement during snap rolls (was Why is it so quiet?)

     

    As near as I can tell Somenzini's secret is in the setup, not the snap itself. 

    The only place I see to downgrade for offset is in presentation.

     

    I admit to being one of his fans.

     

    I think the question is a very good one!

     

    John Ferrell    
    http://DixieNC.US

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Bob Pastorello 

      To: discussion at nsrca.org 

      Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:47 AM

      Subject: Re: Displacement during snap rolls (was Why is it so quiet?)

       

      Good points, David, but my question is based on a LATERAL, and "Parallel" shift in the track.  Assume that I get 'lucky', and nail the line before the snap, definitively BREAK during the snap, nail the exit on the original heading/track, but shifted sideward maybe 3 feet.

          My experience is that a properly-executed snap manuever - anyplace - MUST translate some forward momentum into angular sideward momentum, thus shifting the track of the manuever.

          If this is a "downgrade", where is the criteria, how much are the downgrades, and since we're not talking about an "angular" offset, the point per 10 or 15 degree deviation rule doesn't seem to fit.

          In fact, I would argue (and I'm confident there are aerodynamicists out here who could calculate and prove it so) that NO appropriately-executed snap manuever CAN occur without offset of the original track.

       

          If someone does the imitation/fake "snap roll" ( the rapid, low-rudder, high-aileron, semi-stall ROLL) there ISN'T an offset, usually.  At least in the fake ones I judged LAST season.


      Bob Pastorello
      NSRCA 199  AMA 46373
      rcaerobob at cox.net
      www.rcaerobats.net

       
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