Ellection process - use the bylaws it's easier

Sun Dec 19 15:32:25 AKST 2004

Ed,

       As the primary author of the new bylaws I am a bit saddened by how 
things have worked out so far. The previous bylaws were not very 
comprehensive and open to a lot of personal interpretation. The new ones 
were written to make this a clear and easy to implement process.

    The first change was to have a non-officer lead a committee that would 
find candidates. This was to make it more comfortable for potential 
candidates to apply, because it would be to someone who was not an incumbent 
officer.

To the best of my knowledge this did not quite happen. When reminded that 
there were new bylaws that covered this process Mike Dorna was selected to 
do the job.

    I assumed that the reminder that there were new bylaws would have 
prompted further checking of the rest of the new election bylaws. However, 
it was later announced that our secretary would count the votes. The board 
was again reminded that the bylaws specified a different action, namely that 
an "outside" AMA count should be made. The word "should" was subsequently 
challenged because if it said "shall" then it would have been done 
correctly?

My major point is that if the bylaws had been used in the first place, and 
the spirit of the bylaws had  been adhered to, then we would not have lost 
so much time, nor would we be where we are today. I am fully aware that we 
can't change the past, but we can do a lot about changing the future.

As a non-profit organization we need to follow our bylaws and avoid these 
problems. As a society committed to developing our sport we need to follow 
our bylaws to let new and existing members know that we are good 
organization to be a part of.

The last time I spoke out on my beliefs I got a few folks all riled up and 
drew some fire. As a contributor on RCU I would like us to considering 
adopting their standard of note writing. "Please resist the urge to curse, 
flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post. We encourage the 
free flow of your ideas, but believe that they can be communicated (and 
received) much more effectively if you keep things civil. If you have to 
vent, take it offline."
      Regards,

      Eric.

ARTICLE VIII  - ELECTIONS, SELECTIONS AND TERM OF OFFICE.

Section 1 - Vacancies
a. Candidates for office will be researched and proposed by a Chairperson 
and/or committee selected by the President of the NSRCA. This Chairperson or 
Committee will be comprised of a member or members of the NSRCA who are not 
currently serving as elected or selected board members of the NSRCA.

Section 2 - Executive Officers

a. Executive officers shall hold office for two years from date of 
installation, and until their successors are elected.

b. Executive officers shall be elected in the fall of even numbered years.

c. Ballots are to be mailed out to the voting eligible NSRCA membership, 
wherever possible by the end of November of the election year.

d. Closing date for ballot acceptance is DEC 31 for all election voting. All 
votes must have a postal date no later than December 31 and be received 10 
calendar days thereafter.

e. A third party to the NSRCA such as an external audit group of the AMA 
should count all votes.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Ivey" <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: FW: Ballots

> Derek
> As I said in my original e-mail ,it was sent, to you, for you, and was not 
> sent to the discussion page for the earthlings to have more fodder to kick 
> around.
> For whatever reason you decided to make it public ,which is fine with me.
> However, you negated my intentions of privacy by sending the responses to 
> the discussion page .
>> The comments were only for you, to see our perception of your actions.
> If there is a phrase, unprofessional e-mail etiquite,this would apply.
> So be it.
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
>
>> From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net>
>> Date: 2004/12/19 Sun AM 01:07:33 EST
>> To: "NSRCA List" <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Subject: FW: Ballots
>>
>>  And just so everyone can see my response as well...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Derek Koopowitz [mailto:derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:05 PM
>> To: 'Jim Ivey'
>> Subject: RE: Ballots
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> As an elected executive officer of the NSRCA - yes, I am still in 
>> office - I
>> can still make comments about how I want to see things done, or see 
>> things
>> done the right way.  That is my right.  I do not intend to control 
>> anything
>> or anyone - that isn't my style.  If I want to solicit input for the
>> K-Factor why can't I?  As the ex-editor (a week removed) I think I have 
>> that
>> right to, don't you think?  I'd be doing it regardless of whether I was
>> running for President.
>>
>> As for the ballots?  Well, I guess we'll be damned if we don't do 
>> anything
>> and we'll be damned if we do.  Who wins?  I don't.  You don't.  The 
>> person
>> that didn't vote, didn't.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Ivey [mailto:jivey61 at bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 9:57 PM
>> To: derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net
>> Subject: Ballots
>>
>>  Derek
>> I am keeping these comments direct to you and not on the discussion page.
>> The comments about generating  extra ballots is not legal.  Maureen, 
>> can't
>> do it legally and since a private group is handling the election They 
>> won't
>> do it either.
>> The peoples concerns should be directed to Tony Stillman, who is still
>> President, not you.
>> Derek from my view point it appears that you are already  trying to 
>> control
>> the K-factors contents and change the balloting system. A candidate for
>> office should put his platform on the table to let the people see who to
>> vote for. When the elections are over the person that is elected can have
>> all the control and power they want to have.
>> Look at this from my side of the fence and I think you can understand 
>> what I
>> am saying.
>> I'm not the only one that has seen it this way.
>>
>> Jim Ivey
>>
>>
>>
>>
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