World Judge selection process

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Mon Dec 13 06:31:13 AKST 2004


Charlie,
              I had and have absolutely NOTHING to do with this judging 
evaluation system. You were probably misinformed so please allow me to 
correct/update the information.

FYI - I nominated Bob Noll to the AMA when Dave Brown asked the NSRCA for 
its recommendation. It felt like a good choice. I selected him and two 
others after asking for nominations from the NSRCA District-VP's and the 
rest of the NSRCA board. He was chosen for his work as a judge, the work 
done running many judging schools, great services to the NSRCA and 
especially the AMA after running three USA Nationals etc.

At the time I was overruled by Dave Brown who chose Mike Dumpy, (for similar 
reasons). Subsequently, Dave chose Bob after Mike had represented the USA on 
two occasions. (Very well I might add).

The ranking system was put together by RVP and associates to prove to Dave 
who he should submit to the FAI for WC judge consideration. I am guessing 
that lobbying took place to remove Bob Noll and insert the top TBL rated USA 
judge.

I have several issues with the TBL type of judges ranking.

1. The biggest is that it is too easy for a judge to do well by scoring in a 
popular way or an "average" way. The guy who knows enough about judging to 
give the correct low score will often be on the "out".

2. Also they included judging performances from Master's Nat's. There is big 
difference scoring FAI and Masters. Not least of which is the 1/2 point vs. 
the whole point system.

3. They used the performance in 8 contests (As far as I know). Scoring rules 
and maneuver standards change. To get eight Nationals/team trials you have 
to go back a few years. I have always believed that only the last few years 
of FAI judging should be used because they are the most relevant to 
performance.

4. It does not take into account the intangibles such as, Statesmanship, 
ambassadorial qualities and contribution that will be needed in a WC 
environment.

One further point. I also think that Don Ramsey is a great guy and should 
not get any flack for being selected. He was the guy I went to and asked to 
form the current rules/judging committee. He has helped clarify many rules 
for us and dealt with many tough issues in a calm and professional manner.

I have always been an opponent of the ranking system. The problem is that 
when you speak out against something that people are "married" to, 
especially when they are the creators of the system, you will, and I have, 
draw a lot of abuse. I fully expect my note to be cropped, chopped, torn 
apart, dissected and corrected. I might even get another "Bull in a china 
shop" comment reward. Of course I might just look like that to some, 
especially when I am in their face and won't back down when I see something 
going on that I believe is wrong!

I credit you for speaking out Charlie, but I just had to set the record 
straight when you used my name.

Regards,

Eric Henderson.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rock, Charles" <crock at kclife.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: [SUSPECT-HEADER] - Re: Adjustable stab weight - Character set 
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> Well here is another example of the results of the fox designing the 
> chicken coop! Don Ramsey knew exactly what he had to do to become the top 
> ranked judge as did Ron V., Derek K., and Eric H., need I tell you who all 
> were involved making the judges ranking system?? THIS PISSES ME OFF...The 
> "Haves" get all the beanies, and we pay their way too, most 
> likely..Another NSRCA moment!! Charlie
 

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