Some Clarification on the Rolling Circle

[george kennie]

 <<<Brandon
       and Kevin's circles "SEEM" perfectly acceptable.>>>

I agree with Earl.  "SEEM" to who???  Skinner???  How the heck can an
individual make a statement, regarding a maneuver that is being
performed at 450 meters, as being "perfectly acceptable" when the rules
that he espouses clearly states that a severe downgrade should be
awarded at even 200 meters?
A guy has no basis for making a statement of clarification without
justification.I think some of these "chair" people need to be a little
more pensive.
G.




Don Ramsey wrote:

> Here's some clarification on the rolling circle from F3A Committee
> Chairman Bob Skinner.  There are several emails here but the gist of
> the matter is distance out on the rolling circle and downgrades for
> exceeding the 200 meters (severe downgrade).  The final response was,
> "The main criterium here is visibility." Don Bob Skinner's reply to
> the E-Mail I sent him regarding the rolling circle. I hope this clears
> up a few things Bob Ailles----- Original Message -----
>
>      Dear BobMaybe the description could have been put
>      differently. Currently it states that if done TOWARDS the
>      runway, it must not infringe on the box limits, in which
>      case the normal progressive downgrade would apply. In all my
>      years of being involved in competitive aerobatics, I have
>      never seen one done towards the runway.The main criterium
>      here is visibility. If the pilots do the circle so large
>      that you are unable to see the change-over, or any other
>      component of the manoeuvre clearly, it's not going to earn a
>      high score. From your description, Brandon and Kevin's
>      circles seem perfectly acceptable.Best regardsBob Skinner
>
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: Robert Ailles
>           [mailto:thejudgebob at blueyonder.co.uk]
>           Sent: 04 August 2004 22:48
>           To: Bob Skinner (E-mail)
>           Subject: Rolling circle
>
>           Dear Bob Is there something wrong here, or is it
>           just me not grasping the meaning of the
>           description or the judging notes of this
>           manoeuvre. F-05.10 Rolling circle with three rolls
>           opposite directions, first roll to the
>           outside: Perform a rolling circle (away from or
>           towards the runway)yet in the juding notes, it
>           states the manoeuvre must be downgraded if done
>           towards the runway. Bob at the present Brandon and
>           Kevin start this manoeuvre at a depth of
>           approximately 110metres and go out to a depth of
>           350 to 450 metres approximately.At what depth do
>           you feel they should be and is 450metres to
>           deep? Regards,Bob A
>
>      From: Don Ramsey
>      To: Robert Ailles
>      Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:59 PM
>      Subject: Re: Rolling circle
>       Bob, We showed leniency in our team trials also on the
>      rolling circle but there were some judges who believed the
>      rule book should be followed and downgraded for anything
>      beyond 200 meters.On the rolling circle done in:! Manoeuvre
>      must be downgraded if the circle is too large, and too far
>      out, or if done towards the runway, the circle is outside
>      the manoeuvring zone.I believe this to indicate it should be
>      downgraded if it goes out of the box on either end or on
>      top.  All these box violations might happen if the roll was
>      done in. Thanks for you reply,Don
>
>           ----- Original Message -----
>           From: Robert Ailles
>           To: Don Ramsey
>           Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:45 PM
>           Subject: Fw: Rolling circle
>            DonSorry for the delay in answering  your
>           E-Mail.I would say that a depth of 500metres would
>           receive a 3 point downgrade, for being to deep.But
>           it is a hard one to call for a judge, as we have
>           no way of measuring the true depth, I feel we do
>           need to show some leniency up to 400metres but
>           that for Bob Skinner to decide.At the moment we
>           are showing some leniency over here, rightly or
>           wrongly how knows.A copy of the E-Mail sent to Bob
>           Skinner. I will send you a copy of his reply.are
>           the comment I made on landing sequence OK  and do
>           you agree with them.Bob Is there something wrong
>           here, or is it just me not grasping the meaning of
>           the description or the judging notes of this
>           manoeuvre. F-05.10 Rolling circle with three rolls
>           opposite directions, first roll to the
>           outside: Perform a rolling circle (away from or
>           towards the runway)yet in the juding notes, it
>           states the manoeuvre must be downgraded if done
>           towards the runway.  At the present Brandon and
>           Kevin start this manoeuvre at a depth of
>           approximately 110metres and go out to a depth of
>           350 to 450 metres approximately.At what depth do
>           you feel they should be and is 450metres to
>           deep? Regards,Bob Ailles
>
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