Earl's excellent observations

[tony at radiosouthrc.com]

If you finish the center maneuver, then turn out (away from the judges), you
will stay in the box.  I don't see the problem.  You just can't go way
upwind outside the edge of the box....

Tony Stillman
Radio South
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jivey61 at bellsouth.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Earl's excellent observations


> Matt
>  I am confused. When you finish the sequences you call out of box, which
to me means you go out of the aerobatic zone  being 60-60 either side. Now
explain how I stay in the box to make this landing turn without going out of
the aerobatic zone.If you turn away from the zone edge then you have to
re-enter the box because you were out of box.I understand the turn should be
away(out) from the box edge. All this is confusion to me..DUH.
>
> Jim Ivey
> >
> > From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com
> > Date: 2004/07/31 Sat AM 01:29:13 EDT
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations
> >
> > I saw three such landing examples at the F3A Finals, when the pilots
turned
> > into the runway (rather than away from it) to go downwind. Two exited
the
> > aerobatic zone to enter the downwind leg, which BTW required re-entry
into the
> > zone. I assumed that the term "Aerobatic Zone" was defined as the show
stage
> > between the +/- 60 degree lines. I tend to look at the rule this way:
once the F3A
> > pilot committed to enter the box, he should not exit it until his turn
to
> > final.
> >
> > Interestingly, the third pilot who made a turn toward the runway to
enter his
> > downwind leg,  did not exit the zone. The turn direction is at pilot's
> > discretion. Pilot is allowed to make the turn to downwind leg in either
direction;
> > it's just easier to do it away. BUT, turning away he should not make it
so wide
> > that he violates the distance out rule.
> >
> > These two landing sequences also had the issue of the downwind turn
being
> > greater than 180 degrees. The verbiage of the rule is somewhat
unfortunate
> > because 180 degrees is a specified value. I believe the writer of the
rule intended
> > for the turn to be a simple directional reversal in the horizontal
plane, but
> > it isn't up to me to make that intrepretation. However, as a judgement
call, I
> > allowed it
> >
> > Note that the verbiage in regard to the upwind turn to go to final
approach,
> > is less clear and I allowed the guys to exit the box to turn to final
without
> > assessing a downgrade. Also note that any downgrade observed in the
landing
> > sequence must be a 10 point downgrade (Don uses that terminology and I
like it).
> >
> > I was told that I may have nitpicked a bit here, but, in my opinion,
there is
> > no room for "grey" in the landing (and take-off) sequence. It's either
black
> > or white and not both
> >
> > Matt K
> > Zero
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Brian Young
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations
> >
> >
> > What if its not?
> >
> > Don Ramsey <donramsey at cox-internet.com> wrote:
> > The landing sequence also requires that the 180 degree turn to downwind
be
> > in the aerobatic zone.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Ferrell"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Earl's excellent observations
> >
> >
> > > I can post your drawings in my personal web space, just send me a
copy.
> > >
> > > Bill Glaze pointed out to me that the FAI landing sequence requires
that
> > > once you begin your descent to landing, you can never gain any
altitude
> > > according to the book. There would have been a lot of unhappy
finalists if
> > > this was enforced at Muncie. The only available penalty is a zero...
> > >
> > > John Ferrell
> > > http://DixieNC.US
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Dean Pappas"
> > ! > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:25 PM
> > > Subject: Earl's excellent observations
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > wifferdil ... I just call 'em twinkle-rolls!
> > > What I would like to see is for our team members to have two new
arrows in
> > > their quiver at the next Worlds.
> > > One is a real snap that comes out on heading or is quickly corrected.
> > (hint:
> > > the more deeply the airplane is stalled in the initial break, the less
> > lift
> > > is available for heading loss.)
> >
> >
>
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