Judge Training /Contest Scoring

[Tony Stillman]

Keith:

You have very good ideas!  Actually, what you propose is pretty much what I thought might work, and we were looking into making the "Baseball Umpires" version.  After much discussion, we decided to try a 1/2point, 1 point, zero, and enter keys.  We felt that we could get used to clicking the 1 point deduction 4 or 5 times pretty quickly, and keep the amount of buttons to a minimum.  I don't think we will really know until we get a working model in the hands of several judges to see what they think.

It sounds like making up a couple of mock versions might be in order, so that we could pass them around at the NATS and get a good cross-section report...


Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Black 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 4:26 PM
  Subject: Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring


  Here are a some thoughts about the 1/2 point deduction scoring device:

  1. I think it's a terrific idea to have a tool that would allow you to enter deductions each time you see a defect in a maneuver, however I think only having 1/2 point deductions on the device (or 1 pt for FAI) would not be adequate when maneuvers have many errors close together. I think you'd also need at least a 2 pt deduction button, a zero button, and maybe a 1 pt deduction button as well. I know this increases the difficulty in remembering which button to push, but I've judged some flights where the plane drifted in too close and three or more botched maneuvers were crammed together so quickly that I barely had time to write 4.5, 3, 3.5 on the score sheet, much less press a 1/2 pt button 38 times.

  2.  I believe if we do have a way to click deduction buttons every time we see a defect in a flight, rather than trying to do it in our heads, as a rule we'll begin to see much lower scores and we'll see the gap between the best fliers and the weaker fliers widen. This of course is a good thing as it more accurately reflects our flight performance. 

  3. Even though I think this would be a wonderful system, I think it's going to be difficult to make it work correctly so judges don't inadvertently enter a score they didn't intend to enter, or get off by one maneuver and enter an entire list of scores in the wrong spot. After the fact it will be very difficult to figure out which maneuver was skipped or entered twice.

  4. It may work well to have a device like baseball umpires use where they hold it in their hand and squeeze different buttons for balls/strikes/outs. 

  Keith Black

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Tony Stillman 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 3:02 PM
    Subject: Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring


    Steve:

    Yes, that is the final system that we had decided on before we ran out of money!  

    This would work very well, but you still have to get judges trained to use it properly.  Of course, it would have to be standardized so everyone could build their own that would interface with the proper electronic equipment.  


    Tony Stillman
    Radio South
    3702 N. Pace Blvd.
    Pensacola, FL 32505
    1-800-962-7802
    www.radiosouthrc.com
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Patternrules at aol.com 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:30 AM
      Subject: Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring


       Tony & Dean maybe your closer than you think, really if you think about it you only need a 2 button system as AMA uses 1/2 point increments say the right button every time you push it deducts 1/2 point the left button would be as an "enter" which would then go to the next maneuver, could even be programed to input the contestant # by the same method say push enter button 3 times for a new contestant, for FAI the program would detect that the pilot # is FAI and would use 1 point increments. 


      Steve Maxwell
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