Judge Training /Contest Scoring

[Dean Pappas]

Hi Tony,
Yes an interesting design problem, and I know that you have already hand flown one or two ideas already! No?
Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Stillman [mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:03 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring


Dean:

This is a pretty good concept.  The scribe can then be used to "prompt" the judge to input a score, so one is not left out.  This was studied by NSRCA during my first term as President several years ago.   At the time, the equipment just did not exist to do it.  It is available now, but still pretty pricey.  
 
As you say the unit with the "big buttons" would be a challenge to design.  It would be vital that the unit be designed so a total novice could press the proper value button without looking at it the very first time he/she tried it!  That ain't easy!
 
Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dean  <mailto:d.pappas at kodeos.com> Pappas 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: Judge Training /Contest Scoring

Hi Wayne,
I have actually given this some thought, recently. You need two connected devices: the first is a ham-handed device that has a big button for each score, 0 through 10 (let's ignore halves for now) and a big button for DNO; the position of the big buttons makes their value almost unmistakable. This is an interesting design issue, on its own. This device eliminates the need for a scribe ( a side benefit) and because of its fat-fingered layout it eliminates the need for the judge to ever look down, even briefly. It loads a table of scores into the next device.
 
The second device could be a PDA ... with it the judge reviews his efforts, at the end of the flight, and possibly discovers that there was yet another maneuver that he missed or that all the scores are offset because of a double strike or some such silly thing. The judge may even choose to re-think a score! Then the flight is uploaded to the central scoring. Obviously we would want to integrate the two devices, but that's re-inventing the wheel.
 
In the meanwhile, it could all be done with a PDA, but this once again requires a scribe 'cause the buttons are small, and there isn't enough time. The judge gets to check his/her own work in the 1/2 minute between flights. Don't need no stinkin' wireless, the PDAs can be run to the scoring computer every couple of flights. 
 
Silly idea?
Dean P.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Galligan [mailto:wgalligan at goodsonacura.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:45 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring


I think some forms of that are already here now Buddy.  Many of the new PDA's with bluetooth technology have the capability to transfer wireless to another computer.  All you need is the same program in each unit to accomplish the task.
 
Unfortunately I do not own one of these devices...yet.
 
Wayne Galligan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com 
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Judge Training /Contest Scoring


I contend one of the biggest problems with our judging system are judges who just throw a score at a maneuver and will not use the system as designed.
We will always have different opinions concerning zero scores but objective judging will go a long way toward assuring that the judging is on an equal and correct basis, there are ways to do this.  
Currently we never know when this is happening but I think it is more times than most will admit.
If we want to get technical and assure that judges are using the judging system as it was designed and not just throwing a number subjectively at a maneuver, with currently available equipment we could add electronic scoring where the judge would simply press a button to deduct points from the perfect ten score when the maneuver is complete he would press another button to reset for the next maneuver, the scores could be indicated on a lighted score card for all to see along with a changing score as he deducts points for errors. the score board could be large enough to have a place for all maneuver scores or could have only two places which would indicate the last maneuver score and the one in progress, in that case a scribe could transfer the score to a score sheet, or if we want to have the ultimate system the results could be transferred directly to the scoring system computer. 
It would be interesting to know what such a system would cost. With things coming out of China these days who knows maybe we could afford such an animal. It sure would spruce up a contest.
Buddy 

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