A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[Del K. Rykert]

Good one... 
 
    
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  From: Ron Van Putte 
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  On Apr 19, 2004, at 7:07 PM, Del K. Rykert wrote:


    I learned that a long time ago it was smarter to bribe the scribes rather than the judges. Scribes were cheaper too...  (4 those 2 serious this was said tongue firmly planted in cheek...)



  I once scribed for a notoriously 'low judge'. The CD asked me how it went and I told him, "It was great once I realized that I didn't have to write down the scores he gave me." He about had a fit until I told him I was just kidding.

  Ron Van Putte


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    From: MargueriteVG at aol.com 
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    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:32 PM
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       James  
     I have seen that also. 
     
     We have to use scribes that really know what is expected and how important these scores are to the pilots. I
     
    The question is how do we get scribes that are trained and responsible. that is difficult unless they are pilots.  It is very sad when a pilot has to scribe judge and fly at a contest.
     
     It really is not as simple  as  "just write down what I tell you" Man
     
    When its 100 degrees out and we need scribes many are asked to help that are not really ready to scribe.  I often wonder was it the Judge or the scribe  that wrote that outrageous O or 5 when it should have been a 9  :-)
     
     
    . We really do not have an answer yet.  Perhaps we might have some of the sophisticated suggestions made on the subject put into action. Research the idea. An extra dollar or two from each contest to work on an electronic program. A committee  could be set up with the  NSRCA
    Might take awhile but its a move towards a solution. Lets face it the score a scribe writes down decides the winner.
    Marguerite
     
     
    In a message dated 4/19/2004 5:51:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, James.Woodward2 at edwards.af.mil writes:
    I know I'm way-late on this thread however, the use of a scribe does not in
    itself guarantee better judging.  Just this weekend, we/I witnessed judges
    using scribes for Masters & FAI, looking "down" to tell the scribe what the
    score is..... it was kind of funny to watch.  In fact, given that they were
    looking down before the use of a scribe, the addition of a scribe only
    increase the chances of errors, as they (still looking down), had to
    transfer information to another person.
    Jim W.


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    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
    Behalf Of Ed Miller
    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:43 PM
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    Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

    Well, you are in charge of judging at the BDS contest so go for it.
    Personally, since we have so few spectators at a contest I don't see who it
    is benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of answers for an
    unnecessary question. If all this would lead to eliminating the scribe,
    helping judges judge better and helping the CD the day of the event I'd be
    all for it. The hand signals to the scribe and the judge placing the scores
    on a separate sheet to then be transferred to the official score sheet to me
    is a classic example of complicating a simple task. The only way to
    eliminate scribes is for every judge to know by heart every sequence of
    every class by heart, not realistic. Short of an electronic scoring device,
    I don't see anything here that is simple enough to have repeatable, 100%
    correct results. We ought to focus our energy on preparing better judges and
    simplifying and clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no room for
    interpretation.
    Ed M.

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    From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
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    Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57 PM
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