A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[Ron Van Putte]

On Apr 19, 2004, at 7:07 PM, Del K. Rykert wrote:

> I learned that a long time ago it was smarter to bribe the scribes 
> rather than the judges. Scribes were cheaper too...   (4 those 2 
> serious this was said tongue firmly planted in cheek...)
>

I once scribed for a notoriously 'low judge'.  The CD asked me how it 
went and I told him, "It was great once I realized that I didn't have 
to write down the scores he gave me."  He about had a fit until I told 
him I was just kidding.

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: MargueriteVG at aol.com
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
>
>    James  
>  I have seen that also. 
>   
>  We have to use scribes that really know what is expected and how 
> important these scores are to the pilots. I
>  
> The question is how do we get scribes that are trained and 
> responsible. that is difficult unless they are pilots.  It is very sad 
> when a pilot has to scribe judge and fly at a contest.
>   
>  It really is not as simple  as  "just write down what I tell you" Man
>  
> When its 100 degrees out and we need scribes many are asked to help 
> that are not really ready to scribe.  I often wonder was it the Judge 
> or the scribe  that wrote that outrageous O or 5 when it should have 
> been a 9  :-)
>  
>  
> . We really do not have an answer yet.  Perhaps we might have some of 
> the sophisticated suggestions made on the subject put into action. 
> Research the idea. An extra dollar or two from each contest to work 
> on an electronic program. A committee  could be set up with the  NSRCA
> Might take awhile but its a move towards a solution. Lets face it the 
> score a scribe writes down decides the winner.
> Marguerite
>  
>  
> In a message dated 4/19/2004 5:51:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> James.Woodward2 at edwards.af.mil writes:
> I know I'm way-late on this thread however, the use of a scribe does 
> not in
> itself guarantee better judging.  Just this weekend, we/I witnessed 
> judges
> using scribes for Masters & FAI, looking "down" to tell the scribe 
> what the
> score is..... it was kind of funny to watch.  In fact, given that they 
> were
> looking down before the use of a scribe, the addition of a scribe only
> increase the chances of errors, as they (still looking down), had to
> transfer information to another person.
> Jim W.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org 
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ed Miller
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:43 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
>
> Well, you are in charge of judging at the BDS contest so go for it.
> Personally, since we have so few spectators at a contest I don't see 
> who it
> is benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of answers for an
> unnecessary question. If all this would lead to eliminating the scribe,
> helping judges judge better and helping the CD the day of the event 
> I'd be
> all for it. The hand signals to the scribe and the judge placing the 
> scores
> on a separate sheet to then be transferred to the official score sheet 
> to me
> is a classic example of complicating a simple task. The only way to
> eliminate scribes is for every judge to know by heart every sequence of
> every class by heart, not realistic. Short of an electronic scoring 
> device,
> I don't see anything here that is simple enough to have repeatable, 
> 100%
> correct results. We ought to focus our energy on preparing better 
> judges and
> simplifying and clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no room 
> for
> interpretation.
> Ed M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
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