A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[Jerry Stebbins]

Only if he turns on his hearing aids!!
Jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Stillman" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


> Jim and all:
> The bottom line here is that you have to PRACTICE this as well!  Scoring
> (judging) without looking down is something you have to PRACTICE!!!!!  Ron
> Van Putte had a good idea for this....  Have someone stand behind the
judges
> with an airhorn, you know, the ones you can get at a marine supply house
> that uses "canned" air...  Have them blow the horn right behind the judge
> whenever the judge looks away from the airplane......
>
> It will cure you VERY QUICKLY of looking down!!!
>
>
> Tony Stillman
> Radio South
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP" <James.Woodward2 at edwards.af.mil>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:50 PM
> Subject: RE: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
>
>
> > I know I'm way-late on this thread however, the use of a scribe does not
> in
> > itself guarantee better judging.  Just this weekend, we/I witnessed
judges
> > using scribes for Masters & FAI, looking "down" to tell the scribe what
> the
> > score is..... it was kind of funny to watch.  In fact, given that they
> were
> > looking down before the use of a scribe, the addition of a scribe only
> > increase the chances of errors, as they (still looking down), had to
> > transfer information to another person.
> > Jim W.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Ed Miller
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:43 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> >
> > Well, you are in charge of judging at the BDS contest so go for it.
> > Personally, since we have so few spectators at a contest I don't see who
> it
> > is benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of answers for an
> > unnecessary question. If all this would lead to eliminating the scribe,
> > helping judges judge better and helping the CD the day of the event I'd
be
> > all for it. The hand signals to the scribe and the judge placing the
> scores
> > on a separate sheet to then be transferred to the official score sheet
to
> me
> > is a classic example of complicating a simple task. The only way to
> > eliminate scribes is for every judge to know by heart every sequence of
> > every class by heart, not realistic. Short of an electronic scoring
> device,
> > I don't see anything here that is simple enough to have repeatable, 100%
> > correct results. We ought to focus our energy on preparing better judges
> and
> > simplifying and clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no room for
> > interpretation.
> > Ed M.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I like the idea. Scribe reads maneuver, judge writes score, scribe
flash
> > > score to the attendees and reads next maneuver. Could help improve
> judging
> > > and make contest more interesting. When my parents came to a contest
> they
> > > were bored silly untill I gave them play by play of a few flights.
> > > Anyone willing to try it?
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > > >From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> > > >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >  The way I  propose the hand signals to work  is like this:
> > > >  Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a
7.
> > For
> > > >half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend them
> > > >several times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers under a
5
> > are
> > > >on the left hand. I really think that the simplier we keep it the
> better
> > it
> > > >could succeed.
> > > >  Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system
at
> a
> > > >contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. I
> > think
> > > >it's worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules that
> would
> > > >prevent this. Thanks, Mike
> > > >
> > > >Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > >for me, I totally agree with these guys.  RVP was the first to
suggest
> > this
> > > >that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started doing it this
> way
> > > >and knew it was the way to go.  I write the scores on the pad in a
> column
> > > >without taking my eyes off the plane.
> > > >   Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have
> the
> > > >scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the flight,
and
> > > >then copys the scores to the official sheet in between rounds.
> > > >    As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic
> > > >scoreboards and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand
signals
> > > >have served the arbitragers in the stock market.  A simple adaptation
> of
> > > >this system would be:
> > > >1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the
> > > >audience
> > > >2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then
add
> > 1/2
> > > >point
> > > >
> > > >Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the
> > audience
> > > >will be informed to within a 1/2 point.
> > > >
> > > >--Lance
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Ron Van Putte
> > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:
> > > >
> > > >The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to
> > write
> > > >down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I
> don't
> > > >overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not
perfect
> > for
> > > >me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system
scores
> > > >flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system
breaks
> > down
> > > >no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging
> FAI.
> > > >     Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.
> > > >
> > > >I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe.
> After
> > > >the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the
> scoresheet.
> > I
> > > >am usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.
> > > >
> > > >Ron Van Putte
> > > >
> > > >
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