A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[Wayne Galligan]

Ed,

You got to admit that at least on this discussion board it certainly gets
hashed out.  I have seen other discussion boards that flat out get into a
near brawl by the time the thread stops.

Wayne G..

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Miller" <edbon85 at optonline.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


> Well, you are in charge of judging at the BDS contest so go for it.
> Personally, since we have so few spectators at a contest I don't see who
it
> is benefiting. IMHO seems like we've found a lot of answers for an
> unnecessary question. If all this would lead to eliminating the scribe,
> helping judges judge better and helping the CD the day of the event I'd be
> all for it. The hand signals to the scribe and the judge placing the
scores
> on a separate sheet to then be transferred to the official score sheet to
me
> is a classic example of complicating a simple task. The only way to
> eliminate scribes is for every judge to know by heart every sequence of
> every class by heart, not realistic. Short of an electronic scoring
device,
> I don't see anything here that is simple enough to have repeatable, 100%
> correct results. We ought to focus our energy on preparing better judges
and
> simplifying and clarifying maneuver descriptions so there is no room for
> interpretation.
> Ed M.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
>
>
> >
> > I like the idea. Scribe reads maneuver, judge writes score, scribe flash
> > score to the attendees and reads next maneuver. Could help improve
judging
> > and make contest more interesting. When my parents came to a contest
they
> > were bored silly untill I gave them play by play of a few flights.
> > Anyone willing to try it?
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> > >From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> > >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >  The way I  propose the hand signals to work  is like this:
> > >  Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a 7.
> For
> > >half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend them
> > >several times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers under a 5
> are
> > >on the left hand. I really think that the simplier we keep it the
better
> it
> > >could succeed.
> > >  Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system at
a
> > >contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. I
> think
> > >it's worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules that
would
> > >prevent this. Thanks, Mike
> > >
> > >Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >for me, I totally agree with these guys.  RVP was the first to suggest
> this
> > >that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started doing it this
way
> > >and knew it was the way to go.  I write the scores on the pad in a
column
> > >without taking my eyes off the plane.
> > >   Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have
the
> > >scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the flight, and
> > >then copys the scores to the official sheet in between rounds.
> > >    As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic
> > >scoreboards and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand signals
> > >have served the arbitragers in the stock market.  A simple adaptation
of
> > >this system would be:
> > >1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the
> > >audience
> > >2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then add
> 1/2
> > >point
> > >
> > >Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the
> audience
> > >will be informed to within a 1/2 point.
> > >
> > >--Lance
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Ron Van Putte
> > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
> > >Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:
> > >
> > >The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to
> write
> > >down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I
don't
> > >overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect
> for
> > >me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores
> > >flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks
> down
> > >no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging
FAI.
> > >     Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.
> > >
> > >I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe.
After
> > >the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the
scoresheet.
> I
> > >am usually done before the airplane is on final landing approach.
> > >
> > >Ron Van Putte
> > >
> > >
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