A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[Ron Van Putte]

On Apr 19, 2004, at 11:57 AM, Anthony Romano wrote:

>
> I like the idea. Scribe reads maneuver, judge writes score, scribe 
> flash score to the attendees and reads next maneuver. Could help 
> improve judging and make contest more interesting. When my parents 
> came to a contest they were bored silly untill I gave them play by 
> play of a few flights.
> Anyone willing to try it?

This will take a REALLY good scribe.  Each maneuver lasts an average of 
less than 20 seconds.  As soon as the judge gives the score, the scribe 
must read the next maneuver (the judge can't be waiting for the scribe 
to flash the score).  Then the scribe must flash the score to the 
attendees and be ready to read the next maneuver and flash the 
score......... At the end of the flight, the scribe must transcribe to 
judge's scores to the scoresheet.  I'm not saying it can't be done, 
just that it would take an involved and informed scribe.

Ron Van Putte

>> From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
>> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 13:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>  The way I  propose the hand signals to work  is like this:
>>  Right hand signifys 6 to 10 the thumb and index finger would be a 7. 
>> For half numbers you simply move the fingers to your palm and extend 
>> them several times. A whole number stays put and extended. Numbers 
>> under a 5 are on the left hand. I really think that the simplier we 
>> keep it the better it could succeed.
>>  Again I'd like to know if someone would like to trial this system at 
>> a contest. If only for a couple of rounds with willing participants. 
>> I think it's worth a try. I don't think there's anything in the rules 
>> that would prevent this. Thanks, Mike
>>
>> Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at comcast.net> wrote:
>> for me, I totally agree with these guys.  RVP was the first to 
>> suggest this that I heard at the nats a few years ago and I started 
>> doing it this way and knew it was the way to go.  I write the scores 
>> on the pad in a column without taking my eyes off the plane.
>>   Maybe the easiest, low tech way to announce the scores is to have 
>> the scribe be the "publisher" for the manuver scores during the 
>> flight, and then copys the scores to the official sheet in between 
>> rounds.
>>    As a technology guy (s/w engineer) I'd love to see electronic 
>> scoreboards and PDA systems, but for over 100 years simple hand 
>> signals have served the arbitragers in the stock market.  A simple 
>> adaptation of this system would be:
>> 1. Show the main score with your fingers, top of the hand facing the 
>> audience
>> 2. If a hand is turned so that a palm is facing the audience, then 
>> add 1/2 point
>>
>> Even if there are a few mistakes along the way with the palms, the 
>> audience will be informed to within a 1/2 point.
>>
>> --Lance
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ron Van Putte
>> To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2004, at 5:47 AM, Del K. Rykert wrote:
>>
>> The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to 
>> write down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble 
>> and I don't overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At 
>> least not perfect for me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is 
>> used to my system scores flow. When I have a warm body stuck in 
>> scribes chair the system breaks down no matter what the system is in 
>> some cases especially while judging FAI.
>>     Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created.
>>
>> I do what Del describes, except that I usually don't use a scribe. 
>> After the last airborne maneuver, I transcribe from the pad to the 
>> scoresheet. I am usually done before the airplane is on final landing 
>> approach.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>
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