A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"

[Tony Stillman]

Mike:

Who needs to see the judges scores?  Are you wanting the spectators to see it?

Tony Stillman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mike mueller 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 7:28 AM
  Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


   I still have to say that the point I tried to bring out is being missed completely. We really need to see the judges scores. Lot's of ways to do it. Fingers are cheap and easy. It's not perfect but the down sides are really overshadowed by the potential upsides. I can see by the amount of resistance that the idea has brought on that most don't agree. I can only disagree with that. I'll say it again, we need a better way. There is no perfect way. The bottom line has to be that enough people see the need for change and want to try something new. If the consensus is that were not having a problem with judging than nothing will change. Either way I'm going to the contests this year and having a few beers with my buddy's. That's the best part. Have a great season. Mike

  "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote: 
    I have used fingers and only problem I've had with that system is when you are asked what that is while you are judging the next maneuver. I put all my concentration in to the judging task and don't like being distracted with scribes questions. Then I have to ask him to repeat or wait depending on where the maneuver I'm judging is and then scores aren't recorded and I am not a mental recorder that can recall which maneuver I gave the 6 and then the 9. It is not fair to the contestant to not receive the score he was earned by the judge. The only other system I have found that works well is using a pad to write down the scores and hopefully the scribe can read my scribble and I don't overwrite my scores. It is better but not perfect. At least not perfect for me. When I have a knowledgeable scribe that is used to my system scores flow. When I have a warm body stuck in scribes chair the system breaks down no matter what the system is in some cases especially while judging FAI.
        Keep the thoughts flowing and something better might be created. 

                             del 
                   NSRCA - 473
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: mike mueller 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:56 AM
      Subject: Re: A possible answer to lousy judging "Flash cards"


       Del, I realize that flash cards would be tough and that's why too many would resist it.
       What about flashing fingers. I know for fact that it's easier than verbally telling the scribe. It serves a function in that others can now judge the judging. How can we improve if we can't even see what the scores are. I'm telling you that I feel strongly that this system would help us alot. I'm hoping someone trys it. It'll take someone to step up to the plate and try this method. It's super simple and it works. 
       Another added benefit of flashing scores is that you can establish judging tendences. Judge A downgrades for in to close while judge C like's them close. In the old days judges tendency's were studied much like an umpire calling balls and strikes. Some umps call strikes on lower pitches than others. Teams learn these tendencies and use them to their advantage.
       Again last I checked I fly pattern for recreation. Let's bring back some of the fun! 
        
                                       I still think it's a great debate. Mike 

      "Del K. Rykert" <drykert at localnet.com> wrote:
        Mike..
            I don't see how there is enough time while judging FAI to mess with flash cards?

                                 del 
                       NSRCA - 473 
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