*SPAM* Re: Re: Throw snap rolls out!!!!!!

[Lance Van Nostrand]

Right on.  You beat me to it (hazard of catching up at night on these
emails).  Too many judges don't want to use the range for all the
infractions they see.  It stinks to be in a contest where a great manuver
gets a 9 and a stinker gets an 8 or 7.5.  Whomever wins the first round,
wins the contest.  This extends beyond inexperienced judges, since an
"accurate" judge giving a low score will always look bad against a 8 judge.
   The only way to address this is to assess judge performance on a manuver
basis and not a round.  A judges score compared to other scores in the same
manuver is more telling than the judges total compared to the other judge
totals and round pilot placement.  If they did this, then those 8 judges
would have a higher deviation from the norm, even though their totals
average out (as is rewarded in the current system).
--Lance
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:48 AM
Subject: RE: *SPAM* Re: Re: Throw snap rolls out!!!!!!


I hate to be cynical...but the math behind the statistical evaluation
heavily rewards a steady stream of 8's.  I'm not sure that's the best
measure...

-Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: vanputte at cox.net [mailto:vanputte at cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:41 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: *SPAM* Re: Re: Throw snap rolls out!!!!!!



>
> From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
> Date: 2004/04/12 Mon PM 09:03:32 EDT
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: Throw snap rolls out!!!!!!
>
> I do a lot of scoring. You would be surprised how few times the judges
disagree by more than two points.
> When they get to the point where they disagree by 1 point, I think we
should just use one judge....

The top ranked judges in the NSRCA judge evaluation program have point
discrepancies of less than 1/2 point per maneuver.

Ron Van Putte
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