Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.

Wed Oct 29 11:43:03 AKST 2003

Wow ! If the AMA wants the facility available more to regular members then 
that is a very lame excuse. The national flying site was built for the 
NATS, not just in case someone is traveling thru the cornfields of 
Indiana....with an airplane....I do believe Steve Maxwell(lives  nearby) 
told me that people rarely fly there anyway...so if that was an official 
excuse  to shorten the NATS, then it is just plain lame. The average AMA 
member could get more flying time by staying home.  This just seems so 
incredible if it is true....the world's largest site dedicated to RC JUST 
IN CASE you are in Indiana with a plane......Imagine if the AMA held no 
competition and did not need the flying site, only an admin blgd, how much 
better off financially the AMA would be.
If this is true we should fire every AMA executive we know and replace 
them with Dilbert managers...we would be much better off....

Gray Fowler
Principal Chemical Engineer
Composites Engineering

Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
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Brian Young wrote:
Whats the reasoning behind wanting a smaller time
slot? We have this huge national facility....seems odd.

The AMA "rents" the facility to AMA members so they can stop by the 
facility, visit the museum and fly an airplane on one of the sites.  The 
Nats are held during the prime flying season (past Nats attenders may 
argue that statement, based on bad weather), so the time for ordinary AMA 
members use the facility is reduced.  If they make the total duration of 
the Nats shorter, more AMA members can use the facility.

Ron Van Putte

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One problem I see looming on the horizon is the AMA
will force NSRCA and IMAC to share the same 5 day
period at the Nats.  The AMA Executive Council has
already gone on record that it wants the Nats to be
done in a shorter time frame.  Initially this will
be implemented by pushing existing SIG time slots
closer together, but, sooner or later, they will
probably take note of the shrinking numbers of IMAC
pilots at the Nats and decide that the NSRCA and
IMAC can be done during the same time frame. 

Henderson,Eric wrote:

Mike,
          I have always hated the split. I know how
and why it happened and also know that you can't
change the past.  I fly anything with wings and
especially like flying both types of planes. (The
real difference is the equipment specifications).
The classes flown and the styles do need separate
organizations to take care of their needs.

I wrote this several months ago, "Create the USRCA -
United States Radio Controlled Aerobatics - A forum
for common and collaborative issues to provide
united national representation, (in particular to
the AMA). Core group would be two rep's from each
current and any new RC aerobatics SIG's".  (Nothing
nasty came up on Google with the acronym-BTW). today
this would be IMAC, SPA and the NSRCA forming the
initial umbrella organization. 

The inherent problem with each discipline forming
its own SIG is that the word "special" leads to much
"specialization" and becomes a synonym for
separation. Forming a USRCA keeps the SIG identities
and operations fully functional, but creates a forum
for common issues such as, sound regulation, Nat's
locations, contest scheduling, rules cycles etc.
that affect us all.

Howzat for food for thought.

Regards,

Eric.

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mike mueller
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:19 AM
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Subject: Re: Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles
in AMA Mag.

 I feel that we have so much in common with the IMAC
guys. I really think that we would benefit if we
would merge into one group and bring in the SPA guys
too. It's RC aerobatics and 1 group would be more
effective from the standpoint of strength in numbers
and eliminating redundancy. If we would work
together we would be much better off. But hey that's
just my opinion. Mike

george kennie  <mailto:geobet at gis.net>
<geobet at gis.net> wrote: 

Boy, I had a similar reaction. After all the hype
over the last several years about how Imac is the
fastest growing venue of the sport, they had a total
head count of 37??? C'mon, at a Nationals
event???????????  As far as representatives of a
SIG, it appears that they had absolutely zero
support people. You can't feel that this is due to
some economic condition, as all these guys seem to
have airplanes in the >$7500 category. It also
sounds like they do not have a judging program to
certify potential judges, as there were many
complaints regarding unfair scoring awards,
resulting in many pilots realizing that they had
been unduly cheated. 
The overall tenor of the entire meet seemed to have
a great black pall decend upon Muncie for the
duration of their event with nobody leaving for home
with a good feeling. 
This report certainly does not bode well as an
encouraging carrot regarding future attendance. 
Their venue appears to require a super shot in the
arm of administrative influx, if they are going to
survive in a manner capable of sustaining any number
base. 
It's very SAD!!!!!!!! 
Georgie 

Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote: 

Hi All,

Have you read the write up by Eric and Ed regarding
the Pattern and IMAC nats results and event running
in general?  I really enjoyed reading Eric's
article.  When I read the IMAC article I thought,
"Ed has a lot of courage to describe the event the
way he did."  It once again made me think of how
lucky we are to have dedicated individuals running
our Nationals & NSRCA.  Lots of times we start
threads about what needs to be changed in pattern. 
Given some things could be improved; we must overall
have a pretty good formula for getting people
involved & trained in judging.  The articles are
definitely worth a thorough read!! 

No flame suit, just starting dialog. 

Jim W. 

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