Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.

Atwood, Mark atwoodm at paragon-inc.com
Wed Oct 29 10:00:14 AKST 2003 

It's the TOTAL nats time that's of issue Brian.  It runs for 7-8 weeks when all is said and done.

When we use to have the combined Nats, EVERYTHING was done in the same week...on the same site.  It was awesome.  A logistics nightmare, but awesome as a competitor and spectator.  Finish your flight, and go watch CL Combat, or Quarter Midget Pylon...it was fun.


-----Original Message-----
From:	Brian Young [mailto:b4598070 at yahoo.com]
Sent:	Wed 10/29/2003 1:34 PM
To:	discussion at nsrca.org
Cc:	
Subject:	RE: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.

Whats the reasoning behind wanting a smaller time
slot?
We have this huge national facility....seems odd.

--- "Henderson,Eric" <Eric.Henderson at gartner.com>
wrote:
> Ron,
>          This is a perfect example of where we need
> a "United"  front.
>  
> Regards,
> 
> Eric.
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> Ron Van Putte
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:35 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Pattern & IMAC 2003 Nationals articles
> in AMA Mag.
> 
> 
> One problem I see looming on the horizon is the AMA
> will force NSRCA and IMAC to share the same 5 day
> period at the Nats.  The AMA Executive Council has
> already gone on record that it wants the Nats to be
> done in a shorter time frame.  Initially this will
> be implemented by pushing existing SIG time slots
> closer together, but, sooner or later, they will
> probably take note of the shrinking numbers of IMAC
> pilots at the Nats and decide that the NSRCA and
> IMAC can be done during the same time frame.   
> 
> Henderson,Eric wrote:
> 
> 
> Mike,
>           I have always hated the split. I know how
> and why it happened and also know that you can't
> change the past.  I fly anything with wings and
> especially like flying both types of planes. (The
> real difference is the equipment specifications).
> The classes flown and the styles do need separate
> organizations to take care of their needs.
>  
> I wrote this several months ago, "Create the USRCA -
> United States Radio Controlled Aerobatics - A forum
> for common and collaborative issues to provide
> united national representation, (in particular to
> the AMA). Core group would be two rep's from each
> current and any new RC aerobatics SIG's".  (Nothing
> nasty came up on Google with the acronym-BTW). today
> this would be IMAC, SPA and the NSRCA forming the
> initial umbrella organization. 
>  
>  
> The inherent problem with each discipline forming
> its own SIG is that the word "special" leads to much
> "specialization" and becomes a synonym for
> separation. Forming a USRCA keeps the SIG identities
> and operations fully functional, but creates a forum
> for common issues such as, sound regulation, Nat's
> locations, contest scheduling, rules cycles etc.
> that affect us all.
>  
> Howzat for food for thought.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Eric.
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [
> mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> mike mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles
> in AMA Mag.
> 
> 
>  I feel that we have so much in common with the IMAC
> guys. I really think that we would benefit if we
> would merge into one group and bring in the SPA guys
> too. It's RC aerobatics and 1 group would be more
> effective from the standpoint of strength in numbers
> and eliminating redundancy. If we would work
> together we would be much better off. But hey that's
> just my opinion. Mike
> 
> george kennie  <mailto:geobet at gis.net>
> <geobet at gis.net> wrote: 
> 
> Boy, I had a similar reaction. After all the hype
> over the last several years about how Imac is the
> fastest growing venue of the sport, they had a total
> head count of 37??? C'mon, at a Nationals
> event???????????  As far as representatives of a
> SIG, it appears that they had absolutely zero
> support people. You can't feel that this is due to
> some economic condition, as all these guys seem to
> have airplanes in the >$7500 category. It also
> sounds like they do not have a judging program to
> certify potential judges, as there were many
> complaints regarding unfair scoring awards,
> resulting in many pilots realizing that they had
> been unduly cheated. 
> The overall tenor of the entire meet seemed to have
> a great black pall decend upon Muncie for the
> duration of their event with nobody leaving for home
> with a good feeling. 
> This report certainly does not bode well as an
> encouraging carrot regarding future attendance. 
> Their venue appears to require a super shot in the
> arm of administrative influx, if they are going to
> survive in a manner capable of sustaining any number
> base. 
> It's very SAD!!!!!!!! 
> Georgie 
> 
> Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote: 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> 
> Have you read the write up by Eric and Ed regarding
> the Pattern and IMAC nats results and event running
> in general?  I really enjoyed reading Eric's
> article.  When I read the IMAC article I thought,
> "Ed has a lot of courage to describe the event the
> way he did."  It once again made me think of how
> lucky we are to have dedicated individuals running
> our Nationals & NSRCA.  Lots of times we start
> threads about what needs to be changed in pattern. 
> Given some things could be improved; we must overall
> have a pretty good formula for getting people
> involved & trained in judging.  The articles are
> definitely worth a thorough read!! 
> 
> 
> 
> No flame suit, just starting dialog. 
> 
> Jim W. 
> 
> 
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> 
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