Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.

Wed Oct 29 09:40:58 AKST 2003

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at earthlink.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.

>
> Are those "hurtles" like "turdles"?  ;)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Troy Newman <troy_newman at msn.com>
> Sent: Oct 29, 2003 10:11 AM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.
>
> Ken,
>
> Very well stated. I agree we have more in common that differences. The us
> vs. them attitude is  too prevalent and this latest article in MA shows
that
> the grass is not as green on the other side of the fence.....IMAC as an
> organization has some huge hurtles to overcome. From newsletter issues
that
> have now caused membership numbers to decline in mass. To some noise
issues
> (not touching that one) to the management of a National Championship
event.
>
> The NATS has become in many ways as you stated another contest, rather
than
> a National Championships. For better or worse this is where we are. We as
> the NSRCA and the Pattern community have a huge amount of influence, and
> experience to offer a group like IMAC or SPA but there is too much of the
> bickering over who gets the new pilot or who gets the prime time slot in
the
> magazine......
>
> as the Great Rodney king stated so well " Can't we all just get along?"
LOL
>
>
> Ken thanks for lurking. And  try a pattern model you'll love it....The
newer
> designs are really capable of many of the things the 40% Extras can do.
This
> is on a smaller platform and with a better precision base that the scale
> models....We have similar power to weight and in some cases better wing
> loadings. You'll be impressed when trying your first pattern model. I have
> surprised many a IMAC flyer with my Smaragd and my Hydeaway. They could
not
> believe the locked on feel and the models were still able to do the
flippity
> floppity stuff too.
>
> A wise man once told me the IMAC planes are sport planes that can be
> competitive. Sport flyers have grabbed the big is beautiful and gas motor
> horse for a great ride. There are 33% Sport planes all over the country
and
> all the flying fields....yet Pattern models are like Pylon planes we don't
> sport fly them....there are not many sport flyers that own them.....We
> preach you don't need a pattern model to compete in pattern...but go to a
> contest and how many sport models are there?
>
> Go to an IMAC event and there are tons of sport models that are flying
> Competition...Not only that but the local guy has a IMAC style sport model
> and when the clubs local event rolls around he enters it to support the
> club, to have fun and to enjoy his everyday spot model in a competition
> atmosphere.....This doesn't happen with pattern models.
>
>
> Troy Newman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken McGuire" <rcplanefan at yahoo.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Pattern & Imac 2003 Nationals articles in AMA Mag.
>
>
> > George and all,
> >
> > This is my first post on this forum as I've been
> > lurking for a while.  I currently fly IMAC and have
> > for the past 3 years.  I have never flown pattern,
> > though I am interested in getting started.  I chose to
> > fly IMAC because I like the "scale looking" airplanes
> > and love competitive aerobatics.  I just wanted to
> > make a couple of comments on your post.
> >
> > First of all, I didn't attend the NATS this year which
> > kind of sucks because I live in Cincinnati and would
> > have only had about a 2 or 3 hour drive.  However,
> > there were 21 IMAC contests in my region (North
> > Central) during this past season.  All of these
> > contests occur on weekends and, as a result, require
> > that I take no vacation from work to attend.  The
> > average attendance was about 20 people--some had many
> > more than 30, a few had less than 20.  So, at least in
> > my region, the competitive circuit is full.  The NATS
> > would have required taking the better part of a week
> > away from work.  Nah, for me I can compete in 15-20
> > contests during the spring, summer, and fall.  No need
> > to skip a week of work for the NATS.
> >
> > Economic reasons?  Well, this has been said many times
> > before, but the top-of-the-line IMAC plane really
> > doesn't cost any more that a top-of-the-line pattern
> > plane.  I don't think that "most" IMAC guys have
> > planes worth >$7500.  I personally know very few.
> > However, most of the competitive planes are large.
> > Ever tried to ship one of these via the airlines?
> > Can't be done.  Which means you have to drive to the
> > contest--usually towing a trailer, or ship in a crate.
> >  Not alot of guys in California who want to do either
> > (and I don't blame them).
> >
> > The IMAC NATS to me is really just another contest.
> > And I have so many to choose from that don't require a
> > week away, that I chose to skip.  You are correct
> > about one thing--the article certainly won't help
> > future NATS attendence.  But there are plenty of other
> > "national" level contests to attend--the Joe Nall
> > Masters, JR Challenge, and Tuscon Shootout to name a
> > few.
> >
> > Anyway, I hope you guys realize that IMAC is really
> > the same type of guys as pattern flying competitive
> > aerobatics with a different type of plane.  Same goal
> > in mind, though--precision flight.  Please don't get
> > an "us vs. them" thing going.  This is supposed to be
> > fun--it sure a hell is for me!
> >
> > Ken McGuire
> >
> >
> > --- george kennie <geobet at gis.net> wrote:
> > > Boy, I had a similar reaction. After all the hype
> > > over the last several
> > > years about how Imac is the fastest growing venue of
> > > the sport, they had
> > > a total head count of 37??? C'mon, at a Nationals
> > > event???????????  As
> > > far as representatives of a SIG, it appears that
> > > they had absolutely
> > > zero support people. You can't feel that this is due
> > > to some economic
> > > condition, as all these guys seem to have airplanes
> > > in the >$7500
> > > category. It also sounds like they do not have a
> > > judging program to
> > > certify potential judges, as there were many
> > > complaints regarding unfair
> > > scoring awards, resulting in many pilots realizing
> > > that they had been
> > > unduly cheated.
> > > The overall tenor of the entire meet seemed to have
> > > a great black pall
> > > decend upon Muncie for the duration of their event
> > > with nobody leaving
> > > for home with a good feeling.
> > > This report certainly does not bode well as an
> > > encouraging carrot
> > > regarding future attendance.
> > > Their venue appears to require a super shot in the
> > > arm of administrative
> > > influx, if they are going to survive in a manner
> > > capable of sustaining
> > > any number base.
> > > It's very SAD!!!!!!!!
> > > Georgie
> > >
> > > Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Have you read the write up by Eric and Ed
> > > regarding the Pattern and
> > > > IMAC nats results and event running in general?  I
> > > really enjoyed
> > > > reading Eric's article.  When I read the IMAC
> > > article I thought, "Ed
> > > > has a lot of courage to describe the event the way
> > > he did."  It once
> > > > again made me think of how lucky we are to have
> > > dedicated individuals
> > > > running our Nationals & NSRCA.  Lots of times we
> > > start threads about
> > > > what needs to be changed in pattern.  Given some
> > > things could be
> > > > improved; we must overall have a pretty good
> > > formula for getting
> > > > people involved & trained in judging.  The
> > > articles are definitely
> > > > worth a thorough read!!
> > > >
> > > > No flame suit, just starting dialog.
> > > >
> > > > Jim W.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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