Another bearing question....

[Dean Pappas]

Beats me George ... maybe some time we'll play with it together.
Dean

-----Original Message-----
From: george kennie [mailto:geobet at gis.net]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:55 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Another bearing question....


Dean,
Nope! It's an old Magnum and it has terrific compression and doesn't exhibit any of the attributes of wear.
As regards the base seal, it seems to me that if the seal is less because of shaft wiggle, then the transfer charge would be less efficient resulting in a leaner
charge which should make the engine run leaner, unless the seal is not as severly affected at reduced rpm's.If that's true, then maybe that's why it idles O.K. due
to inconsequential losses at very low r's. Huh, huh, huh?????
Georgie

Dean Pappas wrote:

> Hi George,
> It's a double whammy: the extra heat is bad, but the big killer is the loss or inconsistency of the base compression seal as the crankshaft wiggles, in its bore.
> So what engine has the funny symptom you described? Let me guess, a worn out YS 60 ...
>
> Regards,
>         Dean
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: george kennie [mailto:geobet at gis.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:03 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Another bearing question....
>
> Boy, that blows me away! Somebody that's an engine guru please explain why  a
> faulty bearing causes the mid-range loading-up problem.
> I have a 60 size engine that is a few years old that will turn a 12x7 prop over
> 12K rpm and idles below 2000, and transitions beautifully, but if I run it up to
> full power and let it run for about 30 seconds, at which time it sounds awesome,
> and then reduce the throttle to 9000 rpm, it will run good for about 5 seconds
> and then start to load up and will quit, while at this setting after about 15
> seconds.
> It just happens to be sitting on my benchtop with a prop on it and I just went
> in and turned it over. The bearing feels smooth, there is no slop in the prop
> tips and there is absolutely no end play.
> Maybe I should keep the bearing and order the rest of the parts to build up a
> new engine.
> Hmmmm, .........still confused.
> Georgie
>
> Wayne Galligan wrote:
>
> > My OS will do the loading up in the midrange and die thing.  It has happened
> > on the last two bearings thus giving me the warning.  Then of course I could
> > verify the end play at the tips of the prop. Funny thing was I couldn't feel
> > any roughness.  But after a fresh bearing it ran fine.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:55 PM
> > Subject: RE: Another bearing question....
> >
> > > Thanks Wayne.... The first 2 I would expect, the 3rd is new to me, and the
> > > fourth....well that kind of says why we care....:)
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Wayne Galligan [mailto:wgalligan at goodsonacura.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:47 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: Another bearing question....
> > >
> > >
> > > If you rock the spinner back and forth and it is not smooth or you feel
> > > roughness.....bad bearing.   If you grab the prop by the tips and wiggle
> > it
> > > back and forth and there is end play.... bad bearing.  If you experience
> > > sudden changes in the midrange like loading up and engine quits on spool
> > up
> > > and plug is OK....possible bad bearing.
> > >
> > > Or if you see metal filings coming out the exhaust....... TOO LATE bad
> > > bearing and engine.
> > >
> > > Wayne G.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "White, Chris" <chris at ssd.fsi.com>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > Subject: Another bearing question....
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > > I hear of guys getting anywhere from 35 to 400 flights on bearings:
> > > >
> > > > What are the first signs of bearing problems. Since starting
> > Intermediate
> > > > practice in July, I have just got into flying the same airplane/engine
> > > > regularly enough to wear on an engine and tell the difference in
> > > > performance.  I have 97 flights on a Zen/Webra 145AAR combination. I use
> > > > Cool Power 15% and after run oil religiously.  I have a  tach which
> > varies
> > > > so much with light emissions that I deem it as unreliable.  So what do
> > you
> > > > look for?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Chris
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gene.maurice at comcast.net [mailto:gene.maurice at comcast.net]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:07 PM
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: RE: bearing question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try WWW.AFCBEARING.COM. Great prices and so far a good product. They
> > carry
> > > > all of the standard sizes, but some of them have to be shipped from
> > Japan.
> > > I
> > > > am using their sealed SS bearing in my OS 160 with the seals and grease
> > > > intact. 120 flights (+-) without a problem. And I am using crank
> > pressure
> > > to
> > > > power a Perry pump. This is after going through 2 sets of carbon steel
> > > > bearings after less than 35 flights each.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Gene Maurice
> > > > AMA 3408 NSRCA 877
> > > > Plano, TX
> > > > gene.maurice at comcast.net
> > > >
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