Bigger issues--Long as usual from me

Wed Nov 19 14:03:12 AKST 2003

Bill:

I understand that.  That's what I meant.  You were able to beat them over the head with a 2 x 4 and get them to see it your way.  

We tried the same approach with this annex thing Ron is talking about, and were told to stop dead in our tracks.  

Even though I am the President of NSRCA, I don't think I have the power to tell the AMA Executive Council to "see it our way or we walk"!  Now, if that's what the membership wants us to do, we will do that.  But not without first making sure everyone knows what the cost will be.  It will take a bunch of people to step up  and get serious.  It's pretty easy to type notes to this list, but much more difficult to decide to do everything ourselves.  It can be done, however.  It has been done in the past.  

I don't like the direction AMA is taking any better than any of you....

Am I getting a signal from this mailing list that we need to remove ourselves from AMA and do everything ourselves?

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Glaze 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual from me

  Tony:
  Not true about the "annex" system; in fact, AMA intended to put IMAC on a 3 year cycle change to "regulate" our change of  maneuver schedules.
  The BOD of IMAC felt that if AMA was allowed to do this, it would rip the guts out of what IMAC stood for.  And it would have.  That is what started the entire rebellion.  As soon as we realized what they were trying to do, (put our flight schedules AND our rules changes on a 3 year basis, like NSRCA has to put up with now) we got our wake up call and put our collective heads together.  Then, other good things began to happen also.  Like training a mule: first, find a good  piece of 4 X 4............

  Bill Glaze

  Tony Stillman wrote:

John:

IMAC is not out of the control of AMA.  They are a SIG, just like us.
However, they put in an annex maneuver system from the start, so they could
change schedules as they wanted.  We received quite a bit more trouble from
the Contest Board when we wanted to install an Annex.  It has not been
approved yet, but I think it will pass this time.

We can get things passed as emergency rule changes, should that need to
happen.  Otherwise, we are in the control of AMA, who sets the rules.

Yes, it is a very slow system, but unless we completely break away from AMA,
we will have to work to change what we have now.  Most people flying pattern
now have NO IDEA how much work it was to put on N-PAC's!

Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ferrell" <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual from me

  RE:
    The first contests with the current rules changes were in 2002 yet
      8months
  later the changes for the next cycle were due.....How can this be
      evaluated
    properly...I submit that it can't be properly evaluated. I know the
      NSRCA
  needs to be involved in the rules process.
      I do not propose anarchy, but I do think we need to do a reality check on
the subject. I know that IMAC is a dirty word here but when it comes to
competition they are leading the way. While we are looking at lead times
    in
  the area of many years, they are making box dimension adjustments in real
time. They tweak and try changes and the world does not end.

The AMA relationship to competition is changing from promotion of
competition to tolerating it. They are about one step away from forbidding
it. I cannot understand the reluctance of NSRCA to declare independence in
the same manner as the IMAC folks.

Both organizations are recognizing that the high dollar airplanes are
driving the membership numbers at the moment. It is a real problem. If and
when the IMAC starts promoting a set of classes limited to 80 inch
airplanes, pattern as we know it will be threatened. The real problem is
that it will take this discipline five years or more to respond to the
    "IMAC
  Competition"!

Will Rogers said: "You have a choice. You can either deal with things as
they are or you can deal with things as they are not"!

John Ferrell
6241 Phillippi Rd
Julian NC 27283
Phone: (336)685-9606
johnferrell at earthlink.net
Dixie Competition Products
NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
"My Competition is Not My Enemy"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Troy Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Bigger issues--Long as usual from me

    I'm not condemning your actions or the actions of anyone else....Rather
      I'm
    saying the current process is poor.

Its long and drawn out...I also know that the process caught us off
      guard
  this past cycle. There were so many huge changes the time before...We
      were
  still waiting for them to take effect. By the time the next cycle came
      up
  it
    seems like there is a very short time to evaluate the changes made the
previous cycle...as in less than a single seasons flying and yet the CB
      and
    the AMA process takes 2+ years to do its work....

The first contests with the current rules changes were in 2002 yet
      8months
  later the changes for the next cycle were due.....How can this be
      evaluated
    properly...I submit that it can't be properly evaluated. I know the
      NSRCA
  needs to be involved in the rules process.

Just think we could do something better that's all.

TN

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