Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:

[george kennie]

Thanks Tony,
Your instructions will be carried out!
I realize that I, all too often, come across way too strongly, and while it's
not my intent to ruffle too many feathers too dramatically, I just happen to be
possessed with the type of personality that gets a little too passionate
regarding areas, perceived by me, to be unjust. For my ranting I apologize.
While I feel that your instructions are probably the best tack, I couldn't help
feel that some of these points needed to be aired so I gave voice to my
concerns.I will indeed abide by your directive and thank you for it.
Respectfully,
Georgie

Tony Stillman wrote:

> George:
>
> You points are well taken.  The main reason for me bringing any of this up
> is to be our NSRCA membership to contact their Contest Board member and tell
> them how YOU want THEM to vote!
>
> They don't read this BB, so they don't know how any of us feel about any of
> these rules proposals UNLESS YOU TELL THEM!!!!
>
> AM I MAKING MY POINT!!!
>
> GO CALL THEM, OR BE WILLING TO LIVE WITH WHATEVER OUTCOME OF THE VOTE....
>
> Tony Stillman
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "george kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:
>
> > The evidence is before you, people!!!!!
> > Here is another blatant example of the upper class flyers forcing  their
> agenda upon the lower class flyers, irrespective of the desires of the
> masses. Whoever said that we abide by democratic processes might have been
> experiencing a bad hair day!?
> > Between the two referenced maneuvers, there are no less than 17 elemental
> judging criteria by which a judge can arrive at a considered award. Think
> about it guys! Seventeen different downgrades! To someone, way back when,
> these maneuvers represented enough merit for that person to spend
> significant
> > contemplation to establish a set of guidelines so that a judge could then
> sit in the chair with a set of effective tools by which a fair award could
> be made.It's pretty obvious, to me, that these maneuvers were considered
> important to the person who drew up the rules, and to throw them all away
> would represent
> > an act of disrespect to that individual(s).In my opinion, whoever
> assembled the compendium we have been fortunate to inherit thru the
> directive we affectionately call the "rule book", represents a deliberate
> thinker of magnanamous proportions, and for us to second guess this genius
> would truly be folly.
> >    If there are truly problems with the scoring of these two maneuvers,
> then, I feel, there has been a failure in our certification program. We, in
> all probability, need to emphasize certain elements of instruction regarding
> these maneuvers.The problem areas need to be fixed. Don't throw the baby out
> with the
> > bath water!
> >    In my local area I have heard the statement, "Pattern pilots can fly
> well, but they can't land." I have no idea how we came to deserve this
> reputation among the sport pilots.I fear that if we remove the referenced
> maneuvers from the sequences, we will be lending support to their claim,
> encouraging them to
> > believe that we agree with them.
> > As regards centering and whether the runway is lined or not, the issue of
> judging the size of the landing zone is no more valid than judging the
> length of the 15 meter entry and exit line before and after a maneuver. I
> have yet to attend a contest where they had lined the sky for the event, and
> yet I was
> > entrusted with the ability to assess whether each said line was indeed of
> the correct length(further, there were no protests).If I judge the landing
> zone long or short, maybe the judge next to me judges in the opposing
> direction cancelling me out.Hey!, we're talking about a K-1 maneuver here.
> How many points
> > can I be penalized? Out of a total score of how many hundred points????
> > Another point I would like to address regarding " goes to presentation".
> Watch the really good guys in FAI perform these maneuvers. They do them like
> proffessionals!!! Smooth and graceful. Says to the Judge, " I'm worth
> watching closely, you're going to see good stuff from me."
> >   Let's not forget the lower class guys as this is an area we worked hard
> to master and we deserve our just desserts
> > Georgie
> >
> > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> >
> > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on
> landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Question-10
> > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> > > YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > Question-16
> > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> > > YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > Question-19
> > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> > > YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > Question-24
> > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> > > YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored. The vote
> weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both to be
> scored.
> > >
> > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these two
> maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill etc. I
> think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and on
> cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't get all
> religious on me.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Eric.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > "Henderson,Eric" wrote:
> >
> > > This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on
> landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Question-10
> > > Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> > > YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > Question-16
> > > Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> > > YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > Question-19
> > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> > > YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > Question-24
> > > Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> > > YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
> > >
> > > As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored. The vote
> weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both to be
> scored.
> > >
> > > I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these two
> maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill etc. I
> think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and on
> cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't get all
> religious on me.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Eric.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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