Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:

Wed Nov 12 11:59:08 AKST 2003

Thank you George,

I am a new pattern pilot (about a year with 10 contests) and work very hard
on my take offs and landings.  Early in my endeavors I lost position in
contests because I couldn't land properly.  Now I take pride in my takeoffs
and landings.  Not that they are perfect, but are very credible.  I feel it
would be a shame to eliminate the scoring of them.

P.s. the best takeoffs at our field are by the pattern guys, especially FAI.

Mike Miller
michael9356 at comcast.net
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:16 AM
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Subject: Re: Landings and Take-off's - The vote!.:

The evidence is before you, people!!!!!
Here is another blatant example of the upper class flyers forcing  their
agenda upon the lower class flyers, irrespective of the desires of the
masses. Whoever said that we abide by democratic processes might have been
experiencing a bad hair day!?
Between the two referenced maneuvers, there are no less than 17 elemental
judging criteria by which a judge can arrive at a considered award. Think
about it guys! Seventeen different downgrades! To someone, way back when,
these maneuvers represented enough merit for that person to spend
significant
contemplation to establish a set of guidelines so that a judge could then
sit in the chair with a set of effective tools by which a fair award could
be made.It's pretty obvious, to me, that these maneuvers were considered
important to the person who drew up the rules, and to throw them all away
would represent
an act of disrespect to that individual(s).In my opinion, whoever assembled
the compendium we have been fortunate to inherit thru the directive we
affectionately call the "rule book", represents a deliberate thinker of
magnanamous proportions, and for us to second guess this genius would truly
be folly.
   If there are truly problems with the scoring of these two maneuvers,
then, I feel, there has been a failure in our certification program. We, in
all probability, need to emphasize certain elements of instruction regarding
these maneuvers.The problem areas need to be fixed. Don't throw the baby out
with the
bath water!
   In my local area I have heard the statement, "Pattern pilots can fly
well, but they can't land." I have no idea how we came to deserve this
reputation among the sport pilots.I fear that if we remove the referenced
maneuvers from the sequences, we will be lending support to their claim,
encouraging them to
believe that we agree with them.
As regards centering and whether the runway is lined or not, the issue of
judging the size of the landing zone is no more valid than judging the
length of the 15 meter entry and exit line before and after a maneuver. I
have yet to attend a contest where they had lined the sky for the event, and
yet I was
entrusted with the ability to assess whether each said line was indeed of
the correct length(further, there were no protests).If I judge the landing
zone long or short, maybe the judge next to me judges in the opposing
direction cancelling me out.Hey!, we're talking about a K-1 maneuver here.
How many points
can I be penalized? Out of a total score of how many hundred points????
Another point I would like to address regarding " goes to presentation".
Watch the really good guys in FAI perform these maneuvers. They do them like
proffessionals!!! Smooth and graceful. Says to the Judge, " I'm worth
watching closely, you're going to see good stuff from me."
  Let's not forget the lower class guys as this is an area we worked hard to
master and we deserve our just desserts
Georgie

"Henderson,Eric" wrote:

> This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on
landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
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> Question-10
> Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO CHANGE____
>
> Question-16
> Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
> Question-19
> Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
> Question-24
> Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
> As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored. The vote
weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both to be
scored.
>
> I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these two
maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill etc. I
think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and on
cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't get all
religious on me.
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> Regards,
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> Eric.
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"Henderson,Eric" wrote:

> This how those who cared to vote in the 2004 NSRCA survey, voted on
landings and Take-off's for 2005 rules proposal changes.
>
>
> Question-10
> Should the Take off and Landing be scored in 401.
> YES = 152____         NO = 26_____          RESULT  = NO CHANGE____
>
> Question-16
> Should take off and landings be scored in Intermediate
> YES = 156____         NO = 25_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
> Question-19
> Should takeoff and landings be scored in Advanced
> YES = 135____         NO = 39_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
> Question-24
> Should takeoff and landings be scored in Masters
> YES = 106____         NO = 60_____          RESULT = NO CHANGE____
>
> As you can see the majority still wanted to have them scored. The vote
weakened a little in Masters but it still was strong for them both to be
scored.
>
> I have noticed a strong affinity, maybe even affection for these two
maneuvers. Some believe that they strengthen a pilots flying skill etc. I
think that more planes get hurt trying to land in bad conditions and on
cruddy runways that any skill bonus. Just my opinion so please don't get all
religious on me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
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