Judging Landing & take-offs. (was Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????)

[Tony Stillman]

Eric:

The problem with that is that some judges are LOOKING for a reason not to be used.  They see it as a distraction from their task of winning a contest.  If they could do something to be kept off the line, they would, as long as they would not be disqualified to fly!  

This happened at the NATS several times, when a person could pay the late entry fee and not be included in the worker list.  I know of several who did this for this very reason...

Tony Stillman
Radio South
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Pensacola, FL 32505
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Henderson,Eric 
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  Ron,
            Maybe we should select judges like we do jury selection. If they insist on applying their own rules then they don't qualify to judge.

  E.


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  From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:10 AM
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  On Nov 11, 2003, at 11:41 PM, Del Rykert wrote: 


    I agree here and I was taught that takeoffs are centered but landings are to use the 30m zone. Is that not that the intended interpretation. 
         


  That's what the rule book says. BUT, some judges who are opinionated, stupid, uninformed, you pick the reason, think the landing must be centered. 


  Ron Van Putte 


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: davel322 at comcast.net 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent:Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:41 PM 
    Subject:Landing (was Re: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????) 


    Respectfully, I must disagree. 


    If the rules aren't being followed, they should not be eliminated. 


    Barrel rolls and "twinkle" rolls pretending to be snap rolls routinely get 
    scored and should be zeroed.  Should we stop judging snaps? 


    Flopped stall turns (more than 150 degrees off in roll axis) routinely are not 
    zeroed.  Should we stop judging stall turns? 


    Judging is not an easy task, and there will always be room for improvement.  
    Where the rules are gray (no matter how clear they seemed when originally 
    authored) and interpreted in various ways, there is room to clarify the rules.  
    When the rules are clear and ignored, they need to be politely enforced. 


    So far as landing - we have a system for scoring centering on maneuvers and I 
    personally don't think we need something different for landing - it is just an 
    additional rule that adds needless complexity (but I will follow it as long as 
    it is there).  Besides, at many fields, the landing zone is never marked, or 
    because of field layout, the landing zone is not used (in which case landing in 
    the zone or centering of the landing would not be part of the judging criteria). 


    Dave Lockhart 
    DaveL322 at comcast.net 
    > Wayne: 
    > 
    > Exactly the point.  If we can't follow the rules to judge it properly, maybe 
    > it's time to quit judging it.  After all, this maneuver has not changed 
    > much, even from the early days of pattern  <VBG>  So, if we STILL can't 
    > judge it, let's try something else.... 
    > 
    > I see this problem at most all of the contests every year, including the 
    > NATS.  I judge Masters class, and find that many of the FAI judges sitting 
    > with me don't know the rules to judge it. 
    > 
    > 
    > Tony Stillman 
    > Radio South 
    > 3702 N. Pace Blvd. 
    > Pensacola, FL 32505 
    > 1-800-962-7802 
    >www.radiosouthrc.com 
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