Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????

Tue Nov 11 11:53:33 AKST 2003

On Nov 11, 2003, at 8:30 AM, John Ferrell wrote:

> One of my pet peeves:
>     Just where and what does the rule book say about judging attitude 
> on landings? Its still track and that is not judged until the final 2 
> meters!
>  
> He who does not keep a wing low into a crosswind on landings needs 
> more airplanes.
>  
> I am beginning to see the logic in FAI scoring: We cannot seem to get 
> the judges to score To & L's properly, so lets concentrate on flying. 
> I will back off on my earlier suggestion to make them each a K4. After 
> reading this thread I am now favor of ignoring everything that is not 
> bracketed by "in the box" & "out of the box".
>  
> If there is this much confusion among this group there is little hope 
> at a contest.
>  
> I have never seen it done, but as I read the rule book the AMA pilot 
> could realize over the threshhold at 50 feet or so that things are 
> sour with this approach. Could he not make an abrupt circle out into 
> the flight area and try again WITHOUT PENALTY if he does not pass in 
> front of the judges?
>  
>

There is a rule change proposal to score takeoffs and landings 1 or 10. 
  Let's get behind it and let our district's' contest board members know 
how we feel.

Ron Van Putte

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Del Rykert
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent:Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:35 PM
> Subject:Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
>
> all true but I've rarely seen a pilot slip to landing smoothly. I can 
> only think of one time I've seen it and I wasn't judging and don't 
> know how he scored but I felt he deserved a decent score from my 
> viewing angle.
>  
>     Del
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Henderson,Eric
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Sent:Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:43 AM
> Subject:RE: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
>
> AMA rules state you can side slip:-
>
> The landing will not be downgraded if:
>  
> 3.The pilot elects to "slip to a landing," to handle
> a crosswind condition, in which case the
> upwind wing will be low.
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:discussion-request at nsrca.org
> [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Ofchadnortheast at shaw.ca
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:29 AM
> To:discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
>
>
> He flies FAI anyway, I doubt it hurts the scores much :)
>
> Besides where does it say you cant slip?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:20 am
> Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
>
> > Exactly when are you supposed to start judging the landing? If
> > you stop the slip before 6 feet off the ground then it shouldn't
> > effect the judge. I guess after so many years of flying I can tell
> > you that I'm a little tired of the judges and there petty
> > preferences that shouldn't come into play. But hey that won't
> > change things so I guess I'll learn to deal with it. Mike
> >
> > Del Rykert <drykert at rochester.rr.com> wrote:Might be more fun but
> > doesn't help your score because it don't impress the judges.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Adam Glatt
> > To:discussion at nsrca.org
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
> >
> >
> > Side slipping is more fun =>
> >
> > From: "Larry Diamond" <jed241 at msn.com>
> >
> > >>Reply-To:discussion at nsrca.org
> > >>To: "NSRCA" <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > >>Subject: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
> > >>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:19:33 -0500
> > >>
> > >>OK...Maybe I'm loosing my mind...
> > >>
> > >>I had a conversation with an individual that told me I was wrong
> > and that
> > >>we don't use nor will ever use spoilers for a pattern plane.
> > >>
> > >>I do have at least one e-mail referencing that some folks in New
> > Jersey
> > >>have tinkered with this. I seem to recall a number of posts but
> > I can' find
> > >>them.
> > >>
> > >>What I would like to do, is take the responses (Good / Bad) from
> > this
> > >>thread to form my own opinion.
> > >>
> > >>I have never tried it. But I think it was advise I received from
> > a thread
> > >>on trying to control the speed of my landings for short runways.
> > But I
> > >>really don't recall all the points...
> > >>
> > >>Then again, perhaps I have lost my mind...
> > >>
> > >>See ya,
> > >>
> > >>Larry
> > >>   
> > >>
> >
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