Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????

[John Ferrell]

One of my pet peeves: 
    Just where and what does the rule book say about judging attitude on landings? Its still track and that is not judged until the final 2 meters!

He who does not keep a wing low into a crosswind on landings needs more airplanes. 

I am beginning to see the logic in FAI scoring: We cannot seem to get the judges to score To & L's properly, so lets concentrate on flying. I will back off on my earlier suggestion to make them each a K4. After reading this thread I am now favor of ignoring everything that is not bracketed by "in the box" & "out of the box". 

If there is this much confusion among this group there is little hope at a contest. 

I have never seen it done, but as I read the rule book the AMA pilot could realize over the threshhold at 50 feet or so that things are sour with this approach. Could he not make an abrupt circle out into the flight area and try again WITHOUT PENALTY if he does not pass in front of the judges?

John Ferrell
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Del Rykert 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????


  all true but I've rarely seen a pilot slip to landing smoothly. I can only think of one time I've seen it and I wasn't judging and don't know how he scored but I felt he deserved a decent score from my viewing angle.

      Del

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Henderson,Eric 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 6:43 AM
    Subject: RE: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????


    AMA rules state you can side slip:-

    The landing will not be downgraded if:
     
    3.The pilot elects to "slip to a landing," to handle
    a crosswind condition, in which case the
    upwind wing will be low.

    Regards,

    Eric.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
    [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of chadnortheast at shaw.ca
    Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:29 AM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????


    He flies FAI anyway, I doubt it hurts the scores much :)

    Besides where does it say you cant slip?

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
    Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 7:20 am
    Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????

    > Exactly when are you supposed to start judging the landing? If 
    > you stop the slip before 6 feet off the ground then it shouldn't 
    > effect the judge. I guess after so many years of flying I can tell 
    > you that I'm a little tired of the judges and there petty 
    > preferences that shouldn't come into play. But hey that won't 
    > change things so I guess I'll learn to deal with it. Mike
    > 
    > Del Rykert <drykert at rochester.rr.com> wrote:Might be more fun but 
    > doesn't help your score because it don't impress the judges.
    > ----- Original Message ----- 
    > From: Adam Glatt 
    > To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:59 PM
    > Subject: Re: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
    > 
    > 
    > Side slipping is more fun =>
    > 
    > From: "Larry Diamond" <jed241 at msn.com>
    > 
    > >>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
    > >>To: "NSRCA" <discussion at nsrca.org>
    > >>Subject: Spoilers for Pattern Planes?????
    > >>Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:19:33 -0500
    > >>
    > >>OK...Maybe I'm loosing my mind...
    > >>
    > >>I had a conversation with an individual that told me I was wrong 
    > and that 
    > >>we don't use nor will ever use spoilers for a pattern plane.
    > >>
    > >>I do have at least one e-mail referencing that some folks in New 
    > Jersey 
    > >>have tinkered with this. I seem to recall a number of posts but 
    > I can' find 
    > >>them.
    > >>
    > >>What I would like to do, is take the responses (Good / Bad) from 
    > this 
    > >>thread to form my own opinion.
    > >>
    > >>I have never tried it. But I think it was advise I received from 
    > a thread 
    > >>on trying to control the speed of my landings for short runways. 
    > But I 
    > >>really don't recall all the points...
    > >>
    > >>Then again, perhaps I have lost my mind...
    > >>
    > >>See ya,
    > >>
    > >>Larry
    > >>    
    > >>
    > 
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