Sounds of fun

[Anthony Romano]

Hi Dean,

Hope all is well. Dean is talking about the MAAW field at Croton Point park. 
The field is now closed due to recapping of the dumpsite that the field is 
on and start of phase two of the condos. The prime river front units will be 
a few hundred meters behind the left box pole.
About ten years ago a small group of new homeowners starting some very 
judicious complaints about a field that had been there for fifteen years. 
This led to 94db limit, time and day restrictions etc, etc. The irony of the 
situation is the riverfront condos had their own marina with a few very loud 
go fast boats, jet skis, etc.  and not only the commuter rail line but the 
train yard adjacent to the property.
Also Westchester County airport(full Scale) after over thirty years is 
having similar issues the last few years with new Condos built at the ends 
of the approaches. Costing them millions a year in monitoring and 
compliance.

The bottom line is if you have any kind of neighbors to your field you have 
the potential for a noise problem!


Anthony

>From: "Dean Pappas" <d.pappas at kodeos.com>
>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
>To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>Subject: RE: Speaking of power
>Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:19:03 -0400
>
>John,
>Sometimes, all you have to do is show the authorities that you're cognizant 
>of the problem. You did right to start with something easy to meet. It 
>still requires some effort, but hey it's worth it.
>Of course all we do is aimed at satisfying a reasonable neighbor. The noise 
>talk I give, almost always starts with the story of how I got chased off a 
>field, for a noise complaint,  with a glider. The cop had a good laugh, and 
>promised that if the old lady ever called again, that they would ignore the 
>call. So my buddy and I started to fly 1/2-As in the same park. Yes ... a 
>little old lady. It obviously wasn't the noise, it was that she saw an 
>airplane, and just couldn't stand the idea that someone was having fun.
>
>Tony R., you out there, tell them about the condo owners with the commuter 
>railroad line right next to them that complained about your field's noise.
>
>Dean
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Ferrell [mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net]
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:07 PM
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: Speaking of power
>
>
>Our club is in the process of trying to add a second field. This would be 
>on a closed land fill site. As such, the State, County and all are 
>questioning the noise potential. We chose to submit a copy of the proposed 
>(current?) IMAC specs because they were endurable for all. That won't make 
>allof our members happy, but that seems the best compromise at this time.
>
>John Ferrell
>6241 Phillippi Rd
>Julian NC 27283
>Phone: (336)685-9606
>johnferrell at earthlink.net
>Dixie Competition Products
>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
>"My Competition is Not My Enemy"
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Gray E  <mailto:gfowler at raytheon.com> Fowler
>To: discussion at nsrca.org
>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:49 AM
>Subject: Re: Speaking of power
>
>
>One more note about the 103 dB limit... dissapeared were 4 gas planes 
>measured on the ground-no supersonic prop- 104, 105 106 and 108 dB!
>
>
>
>
>Gray Fowler
>Principal Chemical Engineer
>Composites Engineering
>
>
>
>	WHIP23 at aol.com
>Sent by: discussion-request at nsrca.org
>
>
>05/30/2003 09:05 AM
>Please respond to discussion
>
>
>
>         To:        discussion at nsrca.org
>         cc:
>         Subject:        Re: Speaking of power
>
>
>
>In a message dated 5/30/03 6:39:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>gfowler at raytheon.com writes:
>
>
>Good for FAI being 94 dB, but 96 is plenty low. While I was Pres of my club 
>we passed a noise ordinance rule, measured the same way pattern planes 
>are.....limit is???? 103 dB!! And this was not politically easy, but at 
>least it now stops the monster screamers and now when someone has a loud 
>plane EVERYONE questions is it and we measure.
>94 dB is too low considering that an ARF trainer with a bb .46  is 95-96 
>dB. Getting a club noise rule in place is good, but for us a bit late. The 
>gassers already pissed off two neighbors and now the 94-97 dB plane is a 
>nusiance to them even though those planes had been flying near their houses 
>for 5 years without any complaints. I suggest that all clubs get something 
>in place BEFORE the problem starts. We were proactive and had the rule 
>voted on but not active when the first major complaint happened. Now it is 
>an on going battle. And like someone else mentioned...the loud plane 
>disappeared...not come back with a "real muffler"....just gone and that is 
>fine with the entire Richardson club. By the way...we also banned props 
>over 22" as they were a huge noise culprit.
>
>
>
>Gray Fowler
>Principal Chemical Engineer
>Composites Engineering
>
>
>I'll "chime" in here.  Everyone who thinks they don't have a noise issue 
>should read this and pass it on the their club officers, because the 
>reality is that once you get noticed you can't be quiet enough.  This noise 
>thing will be much easier if we are proactive.  I know this is not popular, 
>but it is reality.
>
>Bob Whitacre
>
>
>

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