4 pt roll

[glenn hatfield]

I personally debated this issue.  A missed point would result in a 3 pt 
roll and not a 4 pt round.  And some judges would call that a different 
manuever and issue a zero.  Personnaly to issue a major downgrade.

Randy



----- Original Message -----
From: Del Rykert <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
Date: Sunday, May 4, 2003 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: 4 pt roll

> Look at it from the standpoint the described maneuver was not 
> performed and the judge can award a zero.
> 
>     Del K. Rykert
>     AMA - 8928 
>     NSRCA - 473
>     Kb2joi - General 
> 
> 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: jed241 at msn.com 
>  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
>  Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:21 PM
>  Subject: Re: 4 pt roll
> 
> 
>  New at the judging game.
> 
>  ********To re-phrase what I think I read.  As a judge; if the 
> roll rate is so 
>  fast that I am not sure that all points existed as hestiations, 
> then I 
>  can issue a downgrade for a missed point or points.  A missed 
> point 
>  would be a major downgrade.***********
> 
>  If even one point is missed (no hesitation), would this warrant 
> a zero vs major downgrade as it is not a 4 point roll? Is this 
> view too critical for the four point roll?
> 
>  Curious.
> 
>  Larry
> 
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>    From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com 
>    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
>    Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:50 PM
>    Subject: Re: 4 pt roll
> 
> 
>    In a message dated 5/3/2003 7:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> randy10926 at comcast.net writes:
> 
> 
> 
>      Subj:4 pt roll 
>      Date:5/3/2003 7:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>      From:randy10926 at comcast.net
>      Reply-to:discussion at nsrca.org
>      To:discussion at nsrca.org
>      Sent from the Internet 
> 
> 
> 
>      Thanks for the reply.
> 
>      To re-phrase what I think I read.  As a judge; if the roll 
> rate is so 
>      fast that I am not sure that all points existed as 
> hestiations, then I 
>      can issue a downgrade for a missed point or points.  A 
> missed point 
>      would be a major downgrade.
> 
>      Randy Hatfield
> 
> 
>    Randy,
> 
>    Roll rate, the speed at which rolling is done, does not 
> matter. You can peg the stick if you want to for each quarter 
> roll; or do a slow entry for each quarter roll, except be careful 
> you don't run out of room when doing one slowy.
> 
>    What matters is that the rate be constant and that the 
> hesitations are visible, of constant duration, and obvious to the 
> judge. If the hesitations are too short and not obvious, then, you 
> know what's coming
> 
>    All the other items the book describes, apply of course, like 
> hitting the points every 90 degrees, centering, and distance out, 
> to name a few (in that order of importance and not belabor the 
> obvious). 
> 
>    We in the JC just recently discussed certain issues wth point 
> rolls. Don Ramsey will be writing an article for the KFactor and 
> discussing these.
> 
>    BTW- remember that if you run out of room and you do not show 
> the appropriate amount of straight and level before the 
> turnaround, 2 point downgrade  on your TA for this infraction alone.
> 
>    Matt 

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