4 pt roll

[ronlock]

This particular point is covered in the rule  book 
Page  77 bottom of  right column under  'Point Rolls'
"...If one or more points are  not visible, or there are
more than the required number of points, the 
maneuver is severely downgraded, (five (5) or more
points)..."

Later,  Ron  Lockhart
----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jed241 at msn.com 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:21 AM
  Subject: Re: 4 pt roll


  New at the judging game.

  ********To re-phrase what I think I read.  As a judge; if the roll rate is so 
  fast that I am not sure that all points existed as hestiations, then I 
  can issue a downgrade for a missed point or points.  A missed point 
  would be a major downgrade.***********

  If even one point is missed (no hesitation), would this warrant a zero vs major downgrade as it is not a 4 point roll? Is this view too critical for the four point roll?

  Curious.

  Larry

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rcmaster199 at aol.com 
    To: discussion at nsrca.org 
    Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 9:50 PM
    Subject: Re: 4 pt roll


    In a message dated 5/3/2003 7:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, randy10926 at comcast.net writes:



      Subj:4 pt roll 
      Date:5/3/2003 7:35:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
      From:randy10926 at comcast.net
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      To:discussion at nsrca.org
      Sent from the Internet 



      Thanks for the reply.

      To re-phrase what I think I read.  As a judge; if the roll rate is so 
      fast that I am not sure that all points existed as hestiations, then I 
      can issue a downgrade for a missed point or points.  A missed point 
      would be a major downgrade.

      Randy Hatfield


    Randy,

    Roll rate, the speed at which rolling is done, does not matter. You can peg the stick if you want to for each quarter roll; or do a slow entry for each quarter roll, except be careful you don't run out of room when doing one slowy.

    What matters is that the rate be constant and that the hesitations are visible, of constant duration, and obvious to the judge. If the hesitations are too short and not obvious, then, you know what's coming

    All the other items the book describes, apply of course, like hitting the points every 90 degrees, centering, and distance out, to name a few (in that order of importance and not belabor the obvious). 

    We in the JC just recently discussed certain issues wth point rolls. Don Ramsey will be writing an article for the KFactor and discussing these.

    BTW- remember that if you run out of room and you do not show the appropriate amount of straight and level before the turnaround, 2 point downgrade  on your TA for this infraction alone.

    Matt 
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