intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

[D Suding]

Oh, I would have LOVED to attend a Quiques clinic! What a treat that must
have been. He wrote a "how to" on torque rolls in Spanish. I fed it
through a translator, and it was hysterical. He uses very colorful prose.
Where was it held? TOC?

I agree that the sweetest looking rolls have rudder and elevator smoothly
applied in just the exact amounts at precisely the right moment. But can
we really expect that from someone that just moved up from Sportsman?  If
you can make your rolls stay on track, and not lose or gain altitude,
you're going to score very well in Intermediate. When you have mastered
the "blip" or "pulse" method, try smoothing it in, and adding rudder as
Rodney says below.

Did any Intermediate pilot try this last night?

> The pros would say pulsing elevator as the wing comes
> to the horizontal is just the first step.
> I attended a Quique Somenzini clinic last November and
> he had us working rudder and elevator stick in a
> coordinated circular motion, timed with a fairly slow
> roll rate.
> He did the two reverse rolls on my Viper and boy it
> looked good, very axial, very smooth. He then did most
> of the Intermediate schedule in constant rolls!! But,
> as they say, the Quiques, Chips, Jasons and CPLs are a
> different breed from the rest of us. His serious pre
> contest practice schedule is about 2 gallons a day for
> ten consecutive days!
> Six months later, here I am still pulsing away on the
> elevator. The 2 or 3 guys that have worked hard to
> master the more advanced circular method are flying
> better and scoring higher.
>
> Rodney
> NSRCA 2906
>
>
>
>
> --- Scott McNaught <scott.mcnaught at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>> Hello Jim,
>>
>> I am currently practicing the two rolls in the
>> intermidiate pattern. I am
>> using elevator through my rolls, my problem is the
>> timming of the elevator
>> and the amount which increases on the second roll as
>> your speed decreases.
>>
>> Scott McNaught
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D Suding" <junk at velocitus.net>
>> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
>> Cc: <jivey61 at msn.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 4:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
>>
>>
>> > Jim-
>> >
>> > You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced
>> planes were ALL OVER the
>> > sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator
>> input, and I thought
>> > that this was a universal problem with the
>> Intermediate guys.
>> >
>> > Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going
>> to have to add
>> > elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not
>> let that elevator input
>> > throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip"
>> of elevator.
>> >
>> > I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot
>> that goes out to the field
>> > tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying
>> high enough that a mistake
>> > isn't going to crash you.
>> >
>> > -Dennis
>> >
>> > > Dennis
>> > >  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If
>> they would balance the
>> > > planes so that they are as neutral upright as
>> inverted, or very near
>> > > as. The majority of the would go away.
>> > >
>> > > Jim Ivey
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: D Suding
>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
>> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
>> > > Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
>> > > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling
>> suggestions
>> > >
>> > > I noticed something in the Intermediate class
>> while I was judging in
>> > > Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad
>> even when performed by
>> > > the best pilots. I think I know why.
>> > >
>> > > First, you can't just throw the stick to the
>> right or left and wait for
>> > > plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much
>> altitude.  You need
>> > > elevator.
>> > >
>> > > Second, you don't start feeding the elevator
>> when the plane gets past 90
>> > > degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I
>> kept seeing this.  The
>> > > plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would
>> feed some elevator,
>> > > increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as
>> it followed through to
>> > > 270 and so on.
>> > >
>> > > Here's what you do:
>> > >
>> > > 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds
>> to roll 360 degrees.
>> > >
>> > > 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR
>> EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
>> > > DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it
>> a SHORT, SHARP down
>> > > elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at
>> 360 degrees, give it a
>> > > SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up
>> again.
>> > >
>> > > Of course, to get picky, you actually start
>> feeding elevator at ~175
>> > > degrees, but the key is to really limit the
>> duration of the elevator
>> > > input so that your purpose is to correct for the
>> effects of gravity
>> > > only.
>> > >
>> > > 3) Practice one thousand times.
>> > >
>> > > Hope this helps.
>> > >
>> > > -Dennis
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a
>> half roll.  The inverted
>> > >> flight should be centered in the box and last
>> at least 4 seconds.
>> > >>
>> > >> Randy
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
>> > >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
>> > >> Subject: intermediate 402
>> > >>
>> > >>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I
>> really dont get the
>> > >>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll
>> then do another half
>> > >>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S.
>> Or can u fint the
>> > >>> drawings for these maneuvers
>> > >>>
>> > >>
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