intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

[Paul Reed]

Jim...Thanks for the tip but I'm doing okay with the rolls it's just
consistency that I am working on now.

Paul Reed




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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions



  Paul
  I find that starting with learning the slow roll you have enough time to
input the elevator when it is needed. This gives you a good feel for when
and how much is required. Also if you are skittish about dropping altitude,
enter the rolls with a up attitude. When this is accomplished just step up
the rolling pace until you have mastered the rolls at the correct roll
speed. This works very well for most people.

  Jim Ivey

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Paul Reed
    Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:20 PM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: RE: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

    Jim

    I'm an intermediate pilot who is currently practicing the two rolls
using a
    "blip" of elevator @ 180 and 360 deg. My problem is consistency in
timing
    and amount of elevator input. It is getting better but I'm not there
yet.


    Paul Reed


    -----Original Message-----
    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
    [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of D Suding
    Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:13 PM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Cc: jivey61 at msn.com
    Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions


    Jim-

    You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced planes were ALL OVER
the
    sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator input, and I thought
    that this was a universal problem with the Intermediate guys.

    Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going to have to add
    elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not let that elevator
input
    throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip" of elevator.

    I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot that goes out to the
field
    tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying high enough that a
mistake
    isn't going to crash you.

    -Dennis

    > Dennis
    >  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the
    > planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near
    > as. The majority of the would go away.
    >
    > Jim Ivey
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: D Suding
    > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
    > To: discussion at nsrca.org
    > Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
    > Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
    >
    > I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging in
    > Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when performed
by
    > the best pilots. I think I know why.
    >
    > First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and wait
for
    > plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude.  You need
    > elevator.
    >
    > Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past
90
    > degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I kept seeing this.
The
    > plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,
    > increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through
to
    > 270 and so on.
    >
    > Here's what you do:
    >
    > 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360 degrees.
    >
    > 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
    > DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP down
    > elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees, give it a
    > SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.
    >
    > Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at ~175
    > degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the elevator
    > input so that your purpose is to correct for the effects of gravity
    > only.
    >
    > 3) Practice one thousand times.
    >
    > Hope this helps.
    >
    > -Dennis
    >
    >
    >
    >> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll.  The
inverted
    >> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.
    >>
    >> Randy
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> ----- Original Message -----
    >> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
    >> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
    >> Subject: intermediate 402
    >>
    >>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the
    >>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half
    >>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the
    >>> drawings for these maneuvers
    >>>
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