intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

[jim ivey]

Paul  
I find that starting with learning the slow roll you have enough time to input the elevator when it is needed. This gives you a good feel for when and how much is required. Also if you are skittish about dropping altitude, enter the rolls with a up attitude. When this is accomplished just step up the rolling pace until you have mastered the rolls at the correct roll speed. This works very well for most people.

Jim Ivey

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Reed
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 5:20 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions

Jim

I'm an intermediate pilot who is currently practicing the two rolls using a
"blip" of elevator @ 180 and 360 deg. My problem is consistency in timing
and amount of elevator input. It is getting better but I'm not there yet.


Paul Reed


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Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions


Jim-

You are correct.  But even the guys with balanced planes were ALL OVER the
sky on those rolls. I was watching their elevator input, and I thought
that this was a universal problem with the Intermediate guys.

Even with a perfectly balanced plane, you're going to have to add
elevator, down-up-down-up.  But my point is to not let that elevator input
throw you off course. I like to call it a "blip" of elevator.

I would love to hear from an Intermediate pilot that goes out to the field
tonight and tries it. Make sure you are flying high enough that a mistake
isn't going to crash you.

-Dennis

> Dennis
>  These guys are flying nose heavy airplanes. If they would balance the
> planes so that they are as neutral upright as inverted, or very near
> as. The majority of the would go away.
>
> Jim Ivey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D Suding
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:54 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Cc: randy10926 at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: intermediate 402 rolling suggestions
>
> I noticed something in the Intermediate class while I was judging in
> Albuquerque. The two horizontal rolls looked bad even when performed by
> the best pilots. I think I know why.
>
> First, you can't just throw the stick to the right or left and wait for
> plane to roll 720 degrees. It will lose too much altitude.  You need
> elevator.
>
> Second, you don't start feeding the elevator when the plane gets past 90
> degrees. This will make the plane cork-screw.  I kept seeing this.  The
> plane would roll 90 degrees, and the pilot would feed some elevator,
> increasing as it went to 180, then decreasing as it followed through to
> 270 and so on.
>
> Here's what you do:
>
> 1) Find a roll rate that takes about 1.5 seconds to roll 360 degrees.
>
> 2) Here's the trick: DON'T ADD ANY ELEVATOR EXCEPT AT 180 and 360
> DEGREES!!!!! When the plane gets to 180, give it a SHORT, SHARP down
> elevator to pitch the nose up to level. Then at 360 degrees, give it a
> SHORT, SHARP up elevator to pitch the nose up again.
>
> Of course, to get picky, you actually start feeding elevator at ~175
> degrees, but the key is to really limit the duration of the elevator
> input so that your purpose is to correct for the effects of gravity
> only.
>
> 3) Practice one thousand times.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Dennis
>
>
>
>> Yes you start with a half roll and end with a half roll.  The inverted
>> flight should be centered in the box and last at least 4 seconds.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "kyle d." <baseballstar2 at cfl.rr.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 11:02 am
>> Subject: intermediate 402
>>
>>> Can anybody go through all the manevers. I really dont get the
>>> striet in verted flight do u do a half roll then do another half
>>> roll. because u are coming out of a split S. Or can u fint the
>>> drawings for these maneuvers
>>>
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