Wrong Maneuver issues

[Gene Maurice]

Let me see if I got this straight:

1. There isn't a rule which supports the caller being required to call out
the maneuvers for the judges.
2. Unless I missed it in all of this rhetoric, no one is suggesting a rule.
3. As a pilot, if you don't want your caller to call out the maneuvers for
the judges, don't.
4. As a caller, if you don't want to call out the maneuvers for the judges,
don't.
4. As a judge, you CANNOT require the caller to call out the maneuvers.
5. As a CD, if a pilot/caller will not call out the maneuvers, and the judge
is not comfortable with the sequence, then the CD is responsible for
supplying a scribe.
6. If the judge requests the maneuvers be called out and the pilot / caller
are OK with it, no problem.

Please explain to me, like I'm a four year old, what the issue is.

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at attbi.com
Plano, TX
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877

  -----Original Message-----
  From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Henderson,Eric
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:22 AM
  To: discussion at nsrca.org
  Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver issues


  So what are we fixing? Scribes????

  The big picture is that you must never lose sight of the pilot
"experience" at a contest. If you make this a bad one they go away. If you
lose pilots, the callers and scribes and judges don't have a job!

  Getting the caller to call out the maneuvers for the judges is interfering
with the pilot caller relationship. Just swaying "it works down here" is not
asking the pilot group if they like it. As pilots you are put in a situation
where you object at your peril. Implied or real it's the same thing and that
is bad for the sport.

  A judge was removed at the Nat's for demanding that the pilot helper call
out the maneuvers.

  I'd love to see how we would handle a Spanish or French speaking caller
and their pilots.

  Fix the scribe problem first and stop messing up the pilot experience.

  Don't forget that a CD is a rep of the AMA and I quote, has a high level
of responsibility of "properly applying the rules,maintaining fairness etc."
. I think that making the callers do this would be seen as unfair. IMHO.

  There is a full blown appeal process to the AMA if you feel unfairly
treated. I could see that the traffic in this area could get pretty busy.

  Regards,

  Eric.

  P.S. The good news I can't argue this anymore - off to #1 son's wedding
(Instead of Sayre - bummer!)





  -----Original Message-----
  From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
Behalf Of Patternrules at aol.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:06 AM
  To: discussion at nsrca.org
  Subject: Re: Wrong Maneuver issues


  I  think that the NAT'S is a great place to do it because of the scribe's
that we use aren't that familiar with what we're doing and the caller is, as
I remember right last year Kirk Gray had a real bad problem with a scribe,
I'm not judging the person involved, it would be really bad for a pilot to
get penalized for the action of a scribe that's not on top of things,
especially, at the NAT'S.

  Steve Maxwell
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