Wrong Maneuver issues

[jed241 at msn.com]

MessageI can't say I totally agree. I understand the view point. However, once we bring in the CD and how rules are applied, the CD has the AMA authority to deviate from the rules as long as it is announced before the start of the contest.

If a CD says a caller must call loud enough for the judges, I would expect that this would happen. 

Larry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Harmon 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:49 PM
  Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver issues


  Totally agree Eric....TOTALLY!!
  Well Said!


  Regards

  David Harmon
  NSRCA 586
  K6XYZ at attbi.com
  Torrance, Ca. 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Henderson,Eric
    Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:42 PM
    To: discussion at nsrca.org
    Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver issues


    So does this now become a national standard when it is not it is not a rule book requirement?  And how do you adjudicate the pilot who says no? Will they get openly or subtly penalized for not doing it "your" way?

    This puts the pilot in a very uncomfortable position if t don't want to do. Ever taken the time to consider why you don't hear many complaints? Of course they will say very little because they inherently fear it could hurt their scores if they do not do what the judges or the CD wants. 

    This is why we have AMA rules so individuals can't just go out there and makes thing up because they have the power to do so, or because it is their personal preference.

    E.



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    From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
    Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:27 PM
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    I also like the manuevers called out, especially at local contests.  It solves many more problems than it creates.  It works very well in the Southeast, as most every contest we attend, this system is used.  Very few complaints from anyone.

    Tony Stillman
    Radio South
    3702 N. Pace Blvd.
    Pensacola, FL 32505
    1-800-962-7802
    www.radiosouthrc.com
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Henderson,Eric 
      To: discussion at nsrca.org 
      Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:59 PM
      Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver issues


      The idea of callers "helping" judges sounds good but is not at all good in practice. 

      First of all, you have to be close enough to hear. Pilots do not want or need maneuvers shouted at them or even given in full text descriptions.

      Secondly, some pilots do not actually have them called. 

      Thirdly, many pilots get the maneuvers verbalized in pairs so that they can set up for the next center maneuver.

      Last on this list, but not least, almost all pilots have the maneuver called before the current one is finished.

      I am a big advocate of keeping the judges and the pilots apart in all ways during the flight.

      Regards,

      Eric.


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      From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of WHIP23 at aol.com
      Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:29 AM
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      In a message dated 6/11/03 8:12:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Patternrules at aol.com writes:



        Personally I like it when the caller calls the maneuvers loud enough for the judges to hear, then I don't need a scribe just a blank paper, then transcribe the # after the flight.

        Steve Maxwell 


      I agree, with the caller calling the maneuvers loud enough for the judges to hear, but I have found that there is a lot of resistance to this proceedure.  I've always viewed presenting the sequence such that the judges could judge it, easily and correctly as part of the "job" and the caller can contribute to that to a large degree, by calling the maneuvers such that there is no confusion.  I will also point out that I have nearly been lynched for this position, on occasion :-)

      This otta' get some action going on the list (flame suit on, bring it)

      Bob 
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