Wrong Maneuver issues

[David Harmon]

Totally agree Eric....TOTALLY!!
Well Said!
 
 

Regards

David Harmon
NSRCA 586
K6XYZ at attbi.com
Torrance, Ca. 

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Henderson,Eric
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:42 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver issues


So does this now become a national standard when it is not it is not a
rule book requirement?  And how do you adjudicate the pilot who says no?
Will they get openly or subtly penalized for not doing it "your" way?
 
This puts the pilot in a very uncomfortable position if t don't want to
do. Ever taken the time to consider why you don't hear many complaints?
Of course they will say very little because they inherently fear it
could hurt their scores if they do not do what the judges or the CD
wants. 
 
This is why we have AMA rules so individuals can't just go out there and
makes thing up because they have the power to do so, or because it is
their personal preference.
 
E.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Tony Stillman
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:27 PM
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Subject: Re: Wrong Maneuver issues


I also like the manuevers called out, especially at local contests.  It
solves many more problems than it creates.  It works very well in the
Southeast, as most every contest we attend, this system is used.  Very
few complaints from anyone.
 
Tony Stillman
Radio South
3702 N. Pace Blvd.
Pensacola, FL 32505
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Henderson,Eric <mailto:Eric.Henderson at gartner.com>  
To: discussion at nsrca.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: Wrong Maneuver issues

The idea of callers "helping" judges sounds good but is not at all good
in practice. 
 
First of all, you have to be close enough to hear. Pilots do not want or
need maneuvers shouted at them or even given in full text descriptions.
 
Secondly, some pilots do not actually have them called. 
 
Thirdly, many pilots get the maneuvers verbalized in pairs so that they
can set up for the next center maneuver.
 
Last on this list, but not least, almost all pilots have the maneuver
called before the current one is finished.
 
I am a big advocate of keeping the judges and the pilots apart in all
ways during the flight.
 
Regards,

Eric.
 
 
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[mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of WHIP23 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: Wrong Maneuver issues


In a message dated 6/11/03 8:12:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Patternrules at aol.com writes:




Personally I like it when the caller calls the maneuvers loud enough for
the judges to hear, then I don't need a scribe just a blank paper, then
transcribe the # after the flight.

Steve Maxwell 



I agree, with the caller calling the maneuvers loud enough for the
judges to hear, but I have found that there is a lot of resistance to
this proceedure.  I've always viewed presenting the sequence such that
the judges could judge it, easily and correctly as part of the "job" and
the caller can contribute to that to a large degree, by calling the
maneuvers such that there is no confusion.  I will also point out that I
have nearly been lynched for this position, on occasion :-)

This otta' get some action going on the list (flame suit on, bring it)

Bob 

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