Scoring Vs Judging

[Bill Glaze]

The humpty bump thing can go the other way, too.  I talked with a Masters
pilot a couple of years ago that questioned the zero he got for a
humpty.  The judges said that they zeroed him because he pushed the top,
rather than pulled it.
He had them refer to the rule book right then; he got his zeros reversed.

Rational discussions like this can only improve the judging and our
overall sport, I feel.
One of my concerns is that now that many of us (at least in D 2) are
certified, is that we may relax until the next period of necessity for
certification comes up.
I believe that good judging entails constant thinking, and a re-reading
of the book frequently.  Just my opinion.

Bill Glaze

glenn hatfield wrote:

> Good catch on your part.  I am somewhat surprized that they had never
> been zeroed before.
>
> Randy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gene.maurice at attbi.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:07 am
> Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging
>
> > Let me preface by saying that judging is not, and never will be, a
> > science,
> > it's an art form. Which means, by it's nature, we are asking
> > people to make a
> > value judgement based upon a perception of what they have "seen"
> > in what is
> > sometimes a split second. Between and among the six schedules
> > there are over
> > 100 individual maneuvers, 30 pages of rules, any number of
> > "interpretations"
> > and "guidelines". The best we can hope for is an unbiased score
> > that is issued
> > an a consistant basis within the class and round being scored.
> >
> > I had a situation this past weekend where I issued a couple of
> > zeroes to two
> > different pilots who performed the Humpty Bump with Options in
> > error by half
> > rolling on the down line. This was in Intermediate in the forth
> > round of a
> > contest. Both pilots stated that they have been performing the
> > maneuver this
> > way for some time yet had NEVER been zeroed before! The maneuver
> > description in
> > the rule book is pretty clear that a half or quarter roll should
> > be performed
> > in the up line and the only roll allowed in the down line is a
> > quarter roll.
> >
> > So, am I the "inconsistant" judge??? At least now these pilots
> > know how the
> > maneuver is supposed to be performed.
> > --
> > Gene Maurice
> > gene.maurice at attbi.com
> > NSRCA 877
> > AMA 3408
> > > What I wonder is the results of a sharp judge catching a wrong
> > way horrigan
> > > mistake (thus zero) and other judge awards a positive number.
> > Does the matrix
> > > look at judge giving the correct zero as being inconsistent. The
> > other judge
> > > could be a random number generator..
> > >
> > >      Del K. Rykert
> > >      AMA - 8928
> > >      NSRCA - 473
> > >      Kb2joi - General
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: John Ferrell
> > >   To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >   Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:12 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging
> > >
> > >
> > >   Consistant judging is a perpetual problem. I seem to be doing
> > more scoring
> > > than competing now days. Judging consistancy is down. After we
> > have a mandatory
> > > series of Judging Seminars it always gets better. The scoring
> > software I use
> > > lets me choose an "alert level" when the two judges deviate. I
> > keep it set at 2
> > > points and I verify the data was properly keyed in each alert.
> > Some deviations
> > > are to be expected, especially those involving box violations.
> > There is a
> > > general feeling that the upper class flyers are better judges,
> > but they are no
> > > more consistant than those in lower classes.
> > >
> > >   Many (most?) of our best judges are not especially known for
> > their flying
> > > skills. In fact, quite a few don't fly at all!
> > >
> > >
> > >   John Ferrell
> > >   6241 Phillippi Rd
> > >   Julian NC 27283
> > >   Phone: (336)685-9606
> > >   johnferrell at earthlink.net
> > >   Dixie Competition Products
> > >   NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
> > >   "My Competition is Not My Enemy"
> > >
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: jed241 at msn.com
> > >     To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >     Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:45 PM
> > >     Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging
> > >
> > >
> > >     I agree...
> > >
> > >     If we have consistent judging, then the low average round
> > becomes a product
> > > of the environment for the round. More difficult environment
> > should produce a
> > > lower scoring round and the weight of the raw point should then
> > be rewarded for
> > > doing better than the other pilots.
> > >
> > >     I'm not worried about winning right now. I feel like I've
> > had a real good
> > > flight when I survive to fly the next round...
> > >
> > >     Larry
> > >       ----- Original Message -----
> > >       From: WHIP23 at aol.com
> > >       To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >       Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:15 PM
> > >       Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging
> > >       Bob
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