Scoring Vs Judging

[glenn hatfield]

Good catch on your part.  I am somewhat surprized that they had never 
been zeroed before.

Randy



----- Original Message -----
From: gene.maurice at attbi.com
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:07 am
Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging

> Let me preface by saying that judging is not, and never will be, a 
> science, 
> it's an art form. Which means, by it's nature, we are asking 
> people to make a 
> value judgement based upon a perception of what they have "seen" 
> in what is 
> sometimes a split second. Between and among the six schedules 
> there are over 
> 100 individual maneuvers, 30 pages of rules, any number of 
> "interpretations" 
> and "guidelines". The best we can hope for is an unbiased score 
> that is issued 
> an a consistant basis within the class and round being scored.
> 
> I had a situation this past weekend where I issued a couple of 
> zeroes to two 
> different pilots who performed the Humpty Bump with Options in 
> error by half 
> rolling on the down line. This was in Intermediate in the forth 
> round of a 
> contest. Both pilots stated that they have been performing the 
> maneuver this 
> way for some time yet had NEVER been zeroed before! The maneuver 
> description in 
> the rule book is pretty clear that a half or quarter roll should 
> be performed 
> in the up line and the only roll allowed in the down line is a 
> quarter roll.
> 
> So, am I the "inconsistant" judge??? At least now these pilots 
> know how the 
> maneuver is supposed to be performed. 
> --
> Gene Maurice
> gene.maurice at attbi.com
> NSRCA 877
> AMA 3408
> > What I wonder is the results of a sharp judge catching a wrong 
> way horrigan 
> > mistake (thus zero) and other judge awards a positive number. 
> Does the matrix 
> > look at judge giving the correct zero as being inconsistent. The 
> other judge 
> > could be a random number generator..
> >  
> >      Del K. Rykert
> >      AMA - 8928 
> >      NSRCA - 473
> >      Kb2joi - General 
> > 
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: John Ferrell 
> >   To: discussion at nsrca.org 
> >   Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:12 PM
> >   Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging
> > 
> > 
> >   Consistant judging is a perpetual problem. I seem to be doing 
> more scoring 
> > than competing now days. Judging consistancy is down. After we 
> have a mandatory 
> > series of Judging Seminars it always gets better. The scoring 
> software I use 
> > lets me choose an "alert level" when the two judges deviate. I 
> keep it set at 2 
> > points and I verify the data was properly keyed in each alert. 
> Some deviations 
> > are to be expected, especially those involving box violations. 
> There is a 
> > general feeling that the upper class flyers are better judges, 
> but they are no 
> > more consistant than those in lower classes. 
> > 
> >   Many (most?) of our best judges are not especially known for 
> their flying 
> > skills. In fact, quite a few don't fly at all!
> > 
> > 
> >   John Ferrell 
> >   6241 Phillippi Rd
> >   Julian NC 27283
> >   Phone: (336)685-9606  
> >   johnferrell at earthlink.net
> >   Dixie Competition Products
> >   NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
> >   "My Competition is Not My Enemy"
> > 
> >     ----- Original Message ----- 
> >     From: jed241 at msn.com 
> >     To: discussion at nsrca.org 
> >     Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:45 PM
> >     Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging
> > 
> > 
> >     I agree...
> > 
> >     If we have consistent judging, then the low average round 
> becomes a product 
> > of the environment for the round. More difficult environment 
> should produce a 
> > lower scoring round and the weight of the raw point should then 
> be rewarded for 
> > doing better than the other pilots.
> > 
> >     I'm not worried about winning right now. I feel like I've 
> had a real good 
> > flight when I survive to fly the next round...
> > 
> >     Larry
> >       ----- Original Message ----- 
> >       From: WHIP23 at aol.com 
> >       To: discussion at nsrca.org 
> >       Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:15 PM
> >       Subject: Re: Scoring Vs Judging
> >       Bob 
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