Scoring Vs Judging

[WHIP23 at aol.com]

In a message dated 6/9/03 5:05:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jed241 at msn.com 
writes:

> You need to blame this e-mail thread on two things. One is the post that 
> said it was quite; and two, you will soon see I have too much time on my 
> hands...<VBG>
>   
> Before reading any further, I'm only trying to drum up trouble <VBG> I could 
> be way off base here....I really don't know...
>   
> Due to my competitive nature (certainly not my flying ability) I have given 
> thought to the relationship of judging, scoring, and the potential outcome of 
> a certain phenomena called a low average round (aka...a typically low 
> scoring set of judges by nature)...
>   
> I could be wrong on this so please correct me if I'm wrong...Here we 
> go...I'm putting on my flame suit as I type...
>   
> Theory:
>  Since the scoring procedure is to normalize each round, a set of judges 
> that scores low by nature will have more influence on the outcome than a set of 
> judges that scores higher by nature.
>   
> Data:
>  I pulled a spreadsheet together and came up with the following numbers 
> (rounded to the nearest .01):
>   
> Sportsman - Total KFactor points per round is 19. This translates a perfect 
> round that each raw score is worth 5.26 normalized points per raw point 
> (19*10*5.26). A round with an average of 7.5 KFactor points has a normalized value 
> of 7.0 normalized points per raw point.
>   
> If this is true (not claiming it is, cause I don't know) and two pilots are 
> close (separated only by 1 raw point per round). It's possible that the pilot 
> winning the lower averaged round could win even though they share the same 
> exact raw score. This wouldn't be the case if they scoring system normalized 
> the combined raw scores for all rounds to determine the winner. This may be 
> the case but I'm just trying to start trouble...<VBG>
>   
> Average for rounds one and two per KFactor point is 8; Rounds three and four 
> is 7. Who should win?
>   
> Raw Scores:
>  Pilot One (R1-152; R2-152; R3-132; R4-132) = total of 568
>  Pilot Two (R1-151; R2-151; R3-133; R4-133) = total of 568
>   
> Should this be a tie?
>   
> Nope, cause when you normalize by the round and add individual rounds 
> together you get the following results. (assuming the formula is -->1000 / Highest 
> raw score for the round X pilots raw score for the round)
>   
> Normalized:
>  Pilot One (R1-1000; R2-1000; R3-992.5; R4-992.5) = total of 3985
>  Pilot Two (R1-993.5; R2-993.5; R3-1000; R4-1000) = total of 3987
>   
> Pilot two wins due to the influence of the lower average scoring rounds.
>   
> I don't know how the scoring system works to compute the winner, but would 
> be interested to know if it is by the sum of the normalized rounds or by 
> normalized total of the raw scores per round.
>   
> If you really want to complicate things, just start thinking about the shift 
> of the outcome on Masters Maneuvers with high KFactors when the difference 
> between two pilots is only separated by 1/2 point on a given maneuver.
>   
> Conclusion:
>  Consistency of scoring from judge to judge is just as important as judging 
> each pilot in a round. Unless again the total raw score is normalized to 
> define the winner.
>   
> Now as my favorite comedian always says, "This is only my opinion, I could 
> be wrong". I also admit that I may not know what I'm talking about cause I 
> don't understand the math behind it. Not meant to be sarcastic, cause it could 
> be true.
>   
> If you actually got to this point, you are truly as demented as I am...LOL
>   
> Larry
> 

I'll chime in here a little.  I'm sure we can find problems with the scoring 
and judging in any given situation, but remember our flying is not perfect and 
the judging and scoring will never be perfect.  I think if you work it 
through you will find that normalization solves more problems than it introduces.  
That said, we need to continue the current trend towards better, more 
consistent judging, it's come a long way.  And, I'll add that if you are winning or 
being beat by a point or two then you don't really know won anyway, all you know 
is you had a good fight (I mean a good time :-)  )  Solution, beat the 
"sucker" by a 100 points :-)

Bob
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20030609/5c5e1a7b/attachment.html