Pattern IMAC combined

[Adam Quennoz]

Now here's some prime K-Factor material!!

Excellent post Troy!!

Regards,
Adam Quennoz
AMA 383866
IMAC 2439
NSRCA 3546




----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Newman" <troy_newman at msn.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pattern IMAC combined


> I'm not wanting the Imac guy to convert...rather I think his face in the
> crowd....his dues along with all the other IMAC guys and all the other
> pattern guys can give Aerobatics a bigger voice....a bigger presence, and
> yes attract the new blood you are looking for...Rather than attract him to
> pattern or attract him to IMAC why not attract him Aerobatics.
>
> Rather we than working together we have all the Imac guys on one side of
the
> fence and the pattern guys on the other side of the fence...in competition
> for this "new" guy...Why don't we open our doors and our minds and show
this
> guy what aerobatics has to offer. Instead we find ways to separate
> ourselves.
>
> I could care less if the new guy flies pattern or IMAC either way I think
> Aerobatics is a winner!
>
> The IMAC Holy Grail was the TOC and for Pattern the Worlds is the
> top....Well F3A is so different now than AMA pattern, and the TOC is quite
> different from IMAC....
> But yet both groups look to these events as the ultimate in achievement in
> the "style"
>
> The Excellence achieved from the top guys is the same..and the top guys
are
> the same.....I would bet money that Chip Hyde has never flown an IMAC
> contest. Yet he is one of the top IMAC style pilots....Why because he
flies
> Aerobatics.......
>
> why are we separating them.....
>
> I'm not advocating we change the classes, I'm not saying we change the
> rules...I'm saying why don't we as Aerobatics pilots work together.....
>
>
> There is too much.......MAC'ers this and Paw-turn's that! We sit in these
> two different email lists and throw bombs at each other when in reality we
> have the same goals...
>
> Increase quality of flying and quality of models.
> Increase participation in Aerobatics contests
> Develop and advise AMA on rules and strategies for increased the
> participation of our events.
> We are trying to develop 2 different judging cadre's to give the best
> possible judging....
>
> I'm not saying merge the events I'm saying merge the organizations! One
> group could administer both events....this would save money, and help
> crossovers between events....
>
> In pylon the same group handles F3D, Q500 and Q40 these are vastly
different
> events F3D is the Indy car racing and Q500 is like Nascar...Q40 is in
> between......
>
> The analogy that well you would not merge NASCAR and Indy together...No
and
> you know why...They have money and large amounts of support
already....They
> are not scrambling for members, money and headlines....Today NSRCA and
IMAC
> are both trying to fill the same void...Aerobatics...two groups two
budgets
> and two voices....together we can do much more than individuals.
>
>
> We are all flying the ideal perfect 4 pt roll...the same skills to fly a
4pt
> roll make a good pilot in pattern and IMAC....The same trimming skills and
> airplane setup skills apply to both....and look at the rule book the
> downgrades for mistakes and the definition of the maneuvers are identical!
> Now they use a 1pt/10deg instead 15 deg....but come on......
>
>
> The real problem is the Pattern guys are jealous that IMAC is stealing
some
> glory....and the IMAC guys are mad because the Pattern guys have tried to
> rule the roost....The NSRCA was not receptive tot he needs of the Scale
Aero
> pilots and they split off. I think the NSRCA board of the time made a huge
> mistake!
>
> We all know who those people were....and some of them are still in "power"
> now. Look we all make mistakes its life...maybe an olive branch to the
other
> is better than attitudes false statements about their flying abilities!
>
> If you are reading this note...Then its your fault! You have the results
and
> you caused the results....Whether it was sitting on your duff...or out
> posting stuff that is inflammatory on the email list its your fault! We
have
> the results we created.....Do we want to go forward or keep creating poor
> results?
>
> I ask you to make a difference in MAC'ers day...I ask you invite a MAC'er
to
> fly your model....And then I ask you to go fly in an IMAC event.....don't
> gripe about how they do things...just look and experience how they do
> it....Then look at what we as pattern guys can offer them and what they
can
> offer us!
>
>
> Simple as that!
>
> TN
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:34 PM
> Subject: re: FAI F3AL---Pattern IMAC combined
>
>
>
> >
> > From what I am reading, you guys really don't want new blood in the
> > sport, because that brings new ideas in, brings in unworthy club
schmoes,
> > brings in the IMAC'ers, and brings in rookies that you don't want to
deal
> with.
>
>
>
> The reason the NSRCA isn't attracting new blood is because they aren't
> trying to attract new blood but instead are attempting to convert (or
bring
> in) IMAC'ers to pattern.  It ain't going to work.
>
> I'm all for attracting TRUE new blood.  It would benefit the NSRCA and the
> pattern sport a lot more if we actually attracted new blood.  New blood
> would be a person just graduating the ranks of flying a 4 channel trainer
> and ready to move into a 4 or 5 channel plane capable of the Intermediate
> maneuvers.   This is a person who has yet formed a bias towards Pylon,
> Scale, IMAC, Giant Scale, or Gliders.  His mind isn't yet set so these are
> the easiest people to show something new to and have them enjoy.   Your
> best new customer to the NSRCA is a new modeler how has yet to find his
> niche in model aviation.
>
> All this talk about combining NSRCA and IMAC sounds more like just trying
> to get a pilot who has already found his niche (that being IMAC) and
trying
> to get him to cross over to Pattern or at the very least compete in both.
>
> What's wrong with going after new blood, the blood of a model who has yet
> to find (or even be exposed) to a special interest group?   That's where I
> don't see any progress but yet where I see the most potential.
>
> George
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