Snaps

[jim ivey]

 Guys,
I tried up elevator first, then rudder and a little aileron at low throttle.
Whoever said it's a dead duck is correct. Then I tried a little throttle up during the snap. I can now see a definite break or stall and the plane maintains heading during exit much better.
Now ,if I can just practice in the rain I could  learn to do it this way.
It's raining again in JawJa.

Jim Ivey

----- Original Message -----
From: John Ferrell
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:14 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Snaps

Finally, someone I can agree with!  
All acceptable snaps do not look alike.
If you are going to the trouble of doing a video, it would make more sense to me to show what is NOT acceptable.  

John Ferrell  
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----- Original Message -----  
From: Del Rykert  
To: discussion at nsrca.org  
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Snaps


IMHO,  when said video is finished it has to show an accurate fair showing of the different visual images that are acceptable and possibly what's not so as to not slight those whose planes do a proper maneuver but visually appears different. E.G. Bipe vs. Low wing vs. 60 sized model.

     Del K. Rykert
     AMA - 8928  
     NSRCA - 473
     Kb2joi - General  


----- Original Message -----  
From: Bill Glaze  
To: discussion at nsrca.org  
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Snaps


Thanks, Tony, I had wondered about what had happened.  A video like this could be very beneficial, but could also be hard to produce.  Another organization of which I was a board member, had a commercial company video a judges seminar, and a field session of flying.  The tape cost the organization $500, and was nearly worthless.  Lesson learned.  
I hope a tape of parallel quality to the existing NSRCA tape on judging, can be produced.  
Bill Glaze  
Tony Stillman wrote:  
 Bill: Some funding had been approved and budgeted for, but the actual video turned out much harder to make than was originally expected. This issue will be discussed in the Annual NSRCA Board Meeting at the Nats next week. Tony Stillman  
Radio South  
3702 N. Pace Blvd.  
Pensacola, FL 32505  
1-800-962-7802  
www.radiosouthrc.com  
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Glaze
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Snaps
 It seems to me that the NSRCA was working on a spin/snaproll video last year.  It mad a splash on this group, and then faded into oblivion.  Anybody remember it?  Or know what happened to it?  
Bill Glaze  
Mike Turgeman wrote:  
I agree with you. That's why I think a video will help all of us to understand the discussed issues better. I hope that there will be more than one video clip.The main thing I would like to here comments about is the amount of attitude change needed during the snap. Obviously the airplane must be stalled but no one is flying with AOA sensor on board so the pilot and the judges have to estimate the stall visually. I am interested to see what they expect and how they estimate it.Mike  
----- Original Message -----
From: Del Rykert
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: Re:Snaps
 Good idea Mike but I have found video can sometimes be misleading as different aircraft present so differently in some ways regarding the snap. This thread has helped show just how challenging it is to judge and fly correctly.      Del K. Rykert  
     AMA - 8928  
     NSRCA - 473  
     Kb2joi - General  
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Turgeman
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:33 AM
Subject: Re:Snaps
 Hi all,Very interesting discussion on a very important issue. As Earl mentioned sometimes a good snap is misjudged because we are used to see the bad one. I think so too. Most of the judges expect too much attitude change and score zero for snaps with small attitude change because they consider it as an axial roll.Maybe someone could post a short video that demonstrate how a real 1 1/2 snap should look like.Mike Turgeman
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